Talk:Hellenistic Prince

Latest comment: 2 years ago by T8612 in topic Title

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I've only ever heard this sculpture called the "Terme Ruler" and think the article should be moved there per WP:COMMONNAME. The name is used in the titles of two of the works cited in the article's bibliography: Lehmen and Pappini. Given that some scholars think the sculpture depicts a Roman general, "Hellenistic Prince" seems NPOV. Furius (talk) 22:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

In fact, the article's own text repeatedly uses "Terme Ruler" (e.g. the left caption & title of the infobox). Furius (talk) 22:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
I don't suppose an ngram will work here. What do the museum call it? On wp, the Germans agree with you, the French & Italians not. It should be in the lead at the least. Johnbod (talk) 01:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
The museum website currently has "Statua del cosiddetto Principe ellenistico" [1]. However, standard English works on Greek / Hellenistic art using "Terme Ruler" include Ridgeway, Hellenistic Sculpture 1990 [2]; R. R. R. Smith, Hellenistic Sculpture: A Handbook (1991) [not online]; Andrew Stewart, Art in the Hellenistic World (2014) [3]; Glenys Davis Gender and Body Language 2018 [4]; Masseglia, Body Language in Hellenistic Art 2015 [5]. Peter Thonemann gives it as the standard name for the sculpture in his The Hellenistic Age: A Very Short Introduction (2018) [6]. Hugo Meyer "The Terme Ruler. An Understudied Masterpiece and the School of Lysippos" Bullettino della Commissione Archeologica Comunale di Roma Vol. 97 (1996), pp. 125-148 [7] opens with "In the 1969 edition of the Helbig, H. von Heintze began the discussion of the bronze statue commonly known as the Terme Ruler." I think this should be enough to establish common usage in English, especially as none of these works mentions any other name for the sculpture. Furius (talk) 10:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. I'll support a move. That MNR link isn't in the article. Johnbod (talk) 12:28, 16 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
I support a move too. I translated the article from French. Hence the title. T8612 (talk) 14:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)Reply