Talk:Hellenistic art

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Source of this article

This article was recently translated from the French Wikipedia article fr:Art_hellénistique. --Coppertwig 00:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Previous Talk

The old form of the article (before the translation) got deleted in preparation for the move. However the old Talk page still survives (that's what you're reading now). It looks as though the original Hellenistic Art page was created September 21, 2006, though it is hard to be sure. Comments left here from Sept 21 through Nov 11 have NOT been archived but can still be viewed in the page history. EdJohnston 02:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I confused things by deleting the previous talk (but it's still in the page history); don't know anything about the archive process. The following translation notes I've copied from User talk:Coppertwig/Hellenistic Art translation sandbox, which apparently still exists. Renaming pages and the connection between talkspace and etc. can get confusing! --Coppertwig 02:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Translation notes

• Apparently chiton and himation are ancient Greek garments, same words in French and English. --Coppertwig 20:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
• I've sometimes translated the present tense in French as a past tense in English; this may sometimes have left the English switching tenses too often. --Coppertwig 03:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
• End of 2nd paragraph in the Sculpture section: I don't understand "often in a V" --Coppertwig 03:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
• English for "thiase"? (middle of 3rd paragraph of metallic art) --Coppertwig
  • Mysterious, but I put in a workaround involving satyrs and maenads. See if it's OK. EdJohnston 04:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't know enough about the subject to comment. --Coppertwig 02:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
• Near end of metal section: Don't know translation of Tyché. --Coppertwig 01:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • OK, It's Tyche apparently (why didn't I think of that?) --Coppertwig 02:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Labelling of images

The English version shows the image of the Gaul suiciding with his wife, while the French version shows the Galate blessé, a different sculpture (and both of these differ from the dying Gaul:-) I'm not sure how the image got changed or whether they're labelled correctly. I suppose they're probably good. --Coppertwig 04:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed sculpture image

I removed the following image because it was causing formatting issues. - Cyborg Ninja 20:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Laocoön Group, Vatican Museums, Rome

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Coins

Coinage is missing from the sculpture/ metal section. Glatisant (talk) 11:38, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Fair point for an era proud of its portraiture. Cake (talk) 21:58, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Sources

Been trying recently to make the article worthy of its C by at least sourcing what the prior writer has given, with a few things along the way. I notice the "see also Hellenistic vase painters" doesn't really link to anything, unless it's to drive home the point. I fear the writer(s) was using the Havelock source for much, of which I don't have a copy and which google won't let me see. One might move the privatization section to the lead (did not find much of what the author was on about). Also possible the first 3 paragraphs of the lead, say, fill a "Background" section rather the lead. Cake (talk) 21:58, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Organization of the gallery section

I originally split the gallery into two sections, Greek originals and Roman copies, but does anyone else think that it can have even more sub-sections? Or rather, sub-sections of those sub-sections dedicated to particular forms and mediums? Like one sub-section for pottery? The other for sculptures more generally? Another for jewellry, one for frescos, and yet another for mosaics? We seem to have collected enough artworks to divide them into these categories, and moreover it would reinforce the justification for the very existence of the gallery, which is often frowned upon in Wiki articles (although not so much in art articles where images are critical for demonstrating the topic and subjects raised in the textual body).Pericles of Athens^Talk 18:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Makes sense to me as long as the gallery is OK. Why not one in each section like the main ancient Greek art article? Cake (talk) 18:52, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes "mini-galleries" of 1-2 rows, in between sections, are the way to go, imo. Johnbod (talk) 18:57, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Excellent. Sounds like a plan, a far more sensible one at that, than sequestering most of the images to the bottom in a haphazard and disorganized fashion. Pericles of Athens^Talk 19:22, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

It's done! I even added a blurb by the Metropolitan Museum of Art about the Roman copies, to justify that new section and gallery. It can certainly be expanded using other sources. Pericles of Athens^Talk 20:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

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First Full-Scale Corinthian Building

The claim that the temple of the Oylmpian Zeus was the first full-scale building in the Corinthian order seems dubious. The Corinthian redesign would not have taken place until the 2nd century BCE when construction was restarted by the Seleukids and it seems quite clear that buildings with fully Corinthian exteriors already existed before then, such as the temple of Sarapis in the Sarapeion of Alexandria (whose Corinthian facade is attested on Roman-era coins that pre-date the Roman renovation of the sanctuary), one of the buildings inside the temenos of Ptolemy III and Berenice II in Hermopolis Magna and the Seleukid temple of Zeus Olbios at Diokaisareia. As that is the only sentence in the section on Athenian architecture, I would thus propose simply deleting the entire section (unless someone wants to add more information on Athenian architecture in the Hellenistic period). Not-A-Kitty (talk) 22:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)