Talk:Hello Kitty (song)

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The result of the move request was: No move. Obvious consensus not to move the page. (non-admin closure) Writing Enthusiast ^☎ 20:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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-- Hello Kitty (Avril Lavigne song) → Hello Kitty (song) – Only notable song titled "Hello Kitty" with an article on Wikipedia. – –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:50, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:11, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• Object to speedy rename this currently redirects to Hum (band), not Avril, so changes the topic. This should have a regular discussion -- 70.51.46.146 (talk) 04:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hum's song is not notable. Lavigne's is the only notable one with an article, therefore she should have the main "(song)" disambiguation per WP:SONGDAB. A hatnote can be added at the top referring the reader to Hum (band) or Hello Kitty (disambiguation) if they are looking for the other song (which is unlikely). –Chase (talk / contribs) 15:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose if it is at all justifiable to do so. Hello Kitty is a well known brand name for some sort of kid's related products. Hello Kitty fans seeing Hello Kitty (song) may assume the article is about a kiddies favourite and not a song about "spinning the bottle" etc. Gregkaye ✍♪ 14:05, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• Not sure how this argument makes sense when typing in simply "Hello Kitty" takes you to the character's page, since the brand is the primary topic. –Chase (talk / contribs) 15:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose passing by the question of how does "a Japan-only promotional single" (a freebie?) get an article in an encyclopedia, this is evidently WP:RECENT and neither Hello Kitty (Avril Lavigne song) nor Hello Kitty (HUM song) nor "Hello Kitty", song by Critters Buggin from album Monkeypot Merganzer are real Hello Kitty merchandising songs of which there appear to be myriad (looking at Amazon.co.jp), collectively those are probably more real and important to children than Avril Lavigne. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hum and Critters Buggin's songs are not notable enough for articles, nor does there appear to be any other notable song titled "Hello Kitty" with an article on Wikipedia. Lavigne's song is notable, however, due to a wave of third party coverage earlier this year, and it is currently the only "Hello Kitty" song with a Wiki article. It makes no sense for there to only be one "Hello Kitty (song)" article on Wikipedia, yet its title has additional disambiguation. –Chase (talk / contribs) 15:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
• And again, I would like to ask how there would be any confusion with the "Hello Kitty" brand when Hello Kitty is about the character? As to whether adding "(song)" to that implies association with the Hello Kitty brand, what about Tom Ford (song) - just one of many examples of this? –Chase (talk / contribs) 15:58, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Already dealt with all this above, Oppose In ictu oculi (talk) 17:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:DAB (esp. parenthetical discussion in its first paragraph) and WP:SONGDAB. Other songs with this title are discussed on Wikipedia, and including the artist's name in the title is helpful to readers. I don't think it should be necessary to get into relative notability comparisons here. If it's discussed on Wikipedia (at all), it should be presumed notable and dab'ed (especially since the Avril Lavigne song isn't that notable – it apparently was met with generally negative reviews and didn't win any awards and seems destined to be basically forgotten in the long term). —BarrelProof (talk) 21:57, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
• Strong oppose There are 4 songs called hello Kitty, this one does not take notability over the rest. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• The Avril Lavigne song meets WP:NSONGS due to its presence on at least three national charts and, more importantly, its coverage in third-party sources. The other songs presumably have not charted or received significant coverage, which is why they do not have articles and are presumed non-notable. –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose. The nominator appears to be relying on WP:PRIMARYARTICLE which is a redlink. It has also remained at the present namespace for a number of months which suggests stability where it is. Finally why are we bothering to hide the name of the artist? --Richhoncho (talk) 20:22, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: My love is love (talk · contribs) 14:48, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Lead

• "It was written by Lavigne, Chad Kroeger, David Hodges and Martin Johnson, while the song was produced by Kroeger and Hodges, with additional production by Brandon Paddock and Kyle Moorman." - Try to reword this sentence. It is very lengthy.
• Link music video, Billboard, Japanese culture, racist.

Background and composition

• Try to reword the sentence from the lead which is repeated here.
• Use "" instead of '' in the sentence 'Kawai' is Japanese for 'cute'.
• Link Japanese, Manga, Japanese video games, sexual euphemisms.

Critical reception

• Change Allmusic and MusicOMH to AllMusic and musicOMH.
• Mention the writer of The Michigan Daily.
• The last sentence in this section is unsourced. If you can't find a reliable source remove it.

Commercial performance

• "The song also surges to 5,000" - surged

Music video

• Instead of mentioning the day ("that Wednesday") use the date.
• Slant Magazine is not italicized.
• There is no source for The Independent review.
• The last paragraph of the Reception section has problems with close paraphrasing. Please try to reword it. I Am... ***D.D. 14:48, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Live performances

• Try to expand this section with reviews, descriptions of the performances (if there are any reliable sources mentioning that).

All  Done except the live performances request, which I did not find reliable links for inclusion. Thank you for the review. Alex ^{talk page!} 10:41, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Great job. Passing. I Am... ***D.D. 14:15, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 15 June 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved.(non-admin closure) Eventhorizon51 ^(talk) 15:31, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hello Kitty (Avril Lavigne song) → Hello Kitty (song) – The last RM took place nearly 2 years ago. A discussion at WT:Article titles#RfC: Artist name as disambiguation regarding non-notable song titles recently concluded that if only one song topic on Wikipedia is notable and has an article, it is preferred to simply use "(song)" as the disambiguator and attach a hatnote. Chase (talk | contributions) 00:06, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

• Support without question per WP:CONCISE and the linked RFC; this is only song that warrants its own article, so additional qualifiers are needless. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:43, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support – Disambiguation by artist is not yet necessary here, and seems unlikely to become so. SteveStrummer (talk) 08:47, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support per the outcome of the RfC. SSTflyer 11:58, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support - Current name is too long - condensed version is more concise. Meatsgains (talk) 17:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

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Removed references to unverifable reception by some Western Twitter users

I've taken out some content that made mentioned to some of the apparent reception in Western countries to the Japanese style/content of this song. There was one article on Billboard that made reference to that some Twitter users had labled the song racist or having cultural appropriation etc. I don't see how some anonymous Twitter users should be used a reliable sources in a Wikipedia article. That's no different from asking a couple of people walking down one street in one city about what they think about the song. What does seem relevant and a good source is Avril Levigne's own response to the apprarent critism. We know what she said, because she said it. Her response in itself illuminates the context, but more importantly for Wikipedia is verifiable and notable (because she said it about her own song). Her comments are towards the end of the page.

It's interesting that as of today (25 June 2020), this song has 180 million views on YouTube (released on 24 April 2014) with 1.8 million likes, 0.4 million dislikes and 261,270 comments. That's a lot of comments. For me, those comments are no/less important that what people might said on Twitter.

As a side issue, I wish we could include some reviews from Japanese music review sites. It does seem weird that a song that was released as a single in Japan only gets Western reviews in this article. The song was on her album which was released worldwide, but the single/video was for the Japanese marker. Unfortunately I don't speak Japanese, so I don't know how to find those reviews.Seaweed (talk) 10:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC)