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editDoes not meet WP:SOLDIER & sig RS coverage not found: link.
All victories appear to have been achieved on the Eastern Front, where the Luftwaffe was operating against poorly trained pilots flying inferior aircraft. So a high number of claims is not remarkable.
No de.wiki article exists. Please also see a note at MilHist Talk Archives for background behind the redirect. In summary, per the outcome of the discussion at Notability:People on notability of Knight's Cross recipients: permalink, certain recipients were deemed non notable and WP:SOLDIER has been modified accordingly: diff. The articles of these recipients are being redirected to alphabetical lists. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:31, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
- Notable due to his status as a Flying ace with a high claimed kills counts. As you can see in List of World War II flying aces - flyers with a much smaller kill count have articles - with the notability being their kill count and nothing else. Being an aerial ace (with a significant count for a particular conflict - 5 would be borderline for WWII, but would confer significance in any other conflict - mid-double digits and up for WWII is clearly significant). notable per SOLDIER: " Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign" - kill counts of these magnitude are a significant material and personnel (aviation - expensive to train) advantage. Soviets were competitive in the air from the end of 1942 and onward - and in event taking out a regiment sized enemy force - Aviation regiment (Soviet Union) single handed is significant regardless of opposition quality.Icewhiz (talk) 10:43, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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editRestoring the redirect. Successful completion of missions (sorties flown, # of enemy aircraft shot down, etc) is not part of SOLDIER. A MilHist RfC on this topic has failed to gain consensus in May of 2017:
For a relevant AfD, please see:
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fritz Lüddecke, which closed as "Delete" in September 2017.
Please also see the discussion with the editor who had earlier objected to the redirect:
- Link.