Talk:Helvellyn/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 12:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

What an interesting and nicely-written article. I'll take this on. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	See the few comments below.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	lead: ok; layout: ok; weasel: ok; fiction: n/a; list of peaks is appropriate.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	See the few comments below.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	All from Commons with correct copyright status.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	All perfectly relevant, including many fine photographs, excellent work.
	7. Overall assessment.	This article is a worthy addition to the GA list. There are signs of definite passion for the mountain, but the content and language are fittingly encyclopaedic. It is almost ready to pass as soon as the minor comments below are addressed. Congratulations, and good luck with further development of the article. It would be great to see it at FA one day.

Comments

Mineral veins do exist: perhaps say (and wikilink) which minerals attracted the miners' interest, both in the lead and in the Mining section.

Suggest merging short paragraphs (geology, botany) in the lead.

Perhaps mention and wikilink some of the poets in the lead.

known to W. A. Poucher. Perhaps say briefly who he was.

It's a shame that the very helpful map of the ridges does not show the walks and their starting points as named in the article - they would make the text easier to follow. That could be a separate map, of course. Certainly not a precondition for GA.

Twitter: wikilink.

Solway Firth, Cheviot Hills, Pennine Hills: wikilink.

Tourism, shepherds: also foxhunting on foot in the area, if you can find a reference.

William and Dorothy Wordsworth: should wikilink the first mentions, not the second.

both of which appear pale and bleached in winter.[45]:197 Both of these grasses: perhaps get rid of one of the "both"s.

Response

Many thanks for taking a look at this article so promptly - I was expecting quite a wait when I saw the waiting list! Thank you too for the suggestions, most of which I hope to address in the next few days.

The suggestion about a map would indeed make the "Routes" section easier to follow. The existing map covers only the area around the summit to illustrate the topological features. Unfortunately all the routes except one start from further away, which was why I didn't try to include them. I was also a little cautious in the Routes section, wanting to draw attention to the many possibilities but without turning it into a guide book. I'd hate to think of anyone trying to go up the mountain relying only on an encyclopedia article, and not using a proper map and/or guide book to plan their route! However, if another small sketch map would make the section easier to read that might be worth doing. That could take me a little time to create though - computer drawing is not my strong point! Silence-is-infinite (talk) 09:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Excellent. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

All edits completed, apart from the new map. I hope to spend some time working on that on Wednesday. Silence-is-infinite (talk) 11:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Got the new map finished. Silence-is-infinite (talk) 09:29, 20 September 2014 (UTC)