Talk:Henry B. Eyring/Archive 1

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. --KenWalker | Talk 04:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Details under "Published Works" needs tidying up. Any volunteers for this welcomed! Also anyone who finds more published journal articles please add here. Chuckarg33 (talk) 11:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

2nd Counselor Succession box should not be there

For some ridiculous reason, someone set up this article so there's a succession box for President Eyring's new 2nd Counselor position. However, the title of the box was bold, so it did not lead anywhere. And under "predecessor" when it showed President Faust's name, going to his biography, there was no 2nd Counselor succession box there. If we want a succession box for second counselor, I think that box should be there for every man who ever served in that position, not just President Eyring. Of course, that also means (to keep consistency) that we'd need to go through and do succession boxes for the positions of 1st Counselor, Assistant Counselor, and Additional Counselor. I don't think we need that kind of hassle. If readers are that curious about the positions, we could refer them to the officially-endorsed-by-the-Church Deseret Morning News Church Almanac. Thoughts?--Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable 19:01, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

It really wouldn't be that hard to do if someone wanted to do it. A clear chronology of the First Presidency exists at First Presidency (LDS Church), so it wouldn't take a lot of figuring out, it would just be repetitive work in implementing such a thing. Because of the existence of the chronology at that page, I don't think it's necessary to do this, but I wouldn't oppose it if someone wanted to go forward and complete the boxes as you described for all the counselors. Snocrates 21:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I decided to just eliminate that succession box until further notice, or until some consensus is reached as far as keeping it and adding it for all counselors. If you disagree, feel free to revert the change. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable 21:07, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I've added a template box for all counselors, which is probably more useful anyway. Snocrates 02:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it might be kinda cool to have the succession boxes for everybody. Looking at Snocrates' list of counselors, it doesn't look like it'd be that much work? Does anybody have an opinion with regards to succession boxes vs. template box vs both? Phuff 15:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

There are some problems that I see with succession boxes for counselors in this quorum are:

1. If the person is the first counselor and dies, then the second counselor succeeds him with a new second counselor. Is the previous first counselor's successor the new first counselor or the new second counselor?
2. What about when there was a third counselor? Who is his successor?
3. What about when the president dies and the quorum is disolved? Do the two new counselors succeed, or do we just mark it as the quorum being disolved?

How do we resolve these with a template or otherwise? — Val42 05:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I think this would work simply by office. That is, we would list these in terms of the order they held the office. If somebody holds the office and dies, whoever next holds the office is the successor. Regardless of where they came from.

The extra counselors as had by David O. McKay, Brigham Young, Spencer W. Kimball might not get succession boxes, since they're not standard offices.

As to your point about when the president dies, once again, this would just be about the office of first counselor. In the case, for example, of Ezra Taft Benson to Howard W. Hunter, there would be no succession since the people holding those offices stayed the same (Hinckley as first counselor, Monson as second) no real succession took place.

I think we'd just do this with a succession box like is done with apostles, university presidents and even pulitzer prize winning novels, currently. — Phuff 22:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Even if those problems listed by Val42 above are resolveable in a technical sense (which they may be)—I see the succession box for counselors as problematic for the same reason I don't really like it for the Qof12 members. Simply stated, usually counselors in the First Presidency aren't thought of as "succeeding" one another in the same sense that a president of the church or presiding bishop succeeds the previous one. TS Monson "succeeded" GB Hinckley as 1st counselor, but usually things aren't spoken of that way. I created the template box b/c I thought it would be more useful as a visual aid than succession boxes for counselors. Snocrates 08:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from there in the sense that it's not often talked about in terms of succession, though I think many people think of it that way (i.e. when Hinckley became president of the church _of course_ Monson became the first counselor). I thought it would be useful and interesting to be able to quickly step back through all of the counselors with these links, but perhaps it's only something I would find interesting/useful. — Phuff 22:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The chronology at First Presidency (LDS Church) allows you to do this and would be a good guide if it's decided that these should be created. I'm not strongly opposed to it and I think it could be done if desired. I see little harm in it and most of the problems are not too difficult to surmount once you examine the chronology table. Snocrates 23:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the chronology at First Presidency (LDS Church) serves the intended purpose. I also have a comment about how that table presents information, but I will make said comment on that page. — Val42 (talk) 21:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)