Talk:Henryk Stażewski/GA1

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Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 20:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for choosing to review the article! I am looking forward to incorporating your feedback. Ppt91 (talk) 18:54, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy to review this interesting article.

Review comments

I normally add comments section by section. If you add 'Done' or something next to a comment, I can then check the issue is sorted. AM

Lead section / infobox

• pivotal figure; remained active and influential are incorrect links (see MOS:CIRCULAR). There are other examples here where links go to the same article, which should be unlinked. (done)
• No capital in Constructivism? (done)
• twentieth century – consider amending to ‘20th century’ (not GA). (done)
• Amend as well as to ‘and’. (done)
• destroyed during - ‘destroyed during the’. (done)
• Link collective; relief. (done)
• Unlink World War II (MOS:OL). (done)
• Thaw – ‘thaw’. comment (followed the prevalent style in existing scholarship on Polish post-1956 culture and history; happy to change if you still think it should be lower case for Wiki purposes)

Happy to concur with your wishes. Amitchell125 (talk) 21:43, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Introduce Galeria Foksal (e.g. by say ‘ the gallery space Galeria Foksal’). (done)
• subsequently seems redundant, and so can be omitted. (done)
• the Herder Prize in 1972 – ‘the 1972 Herder Prize’ is the usual way of putting it. (done)
• In the infobox, link Kingdom of Poland (Congress Poland). (done)

@Ppt91: more comments to follow. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

1.1 Early work and education

• Link Russian Empire; Warsaw Academy of Fine Arts (Academy of Fine Arts in Warsaw); exhibition; Vilnius; Łódź. (done)
• I have linked Society for the Encouragement of Fine Arts and removed Towarzystwo Zachęty Sztuk Pięknych. I’ll link Polish Wikipedia articles in a similar way if I see they exist, please revert if I make an error.

comment: created a new article for Society for the Encouragement of Fine Arts in English; over time will try to do same for remaining red links at least on stub/start level Ppt91 (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea. AM

• his recent paintings – avoid recent (see MOS:RELTIME). (done)

1.2 Polish Constructivism (1924-1930s)

• In the caption, link abstraction (Geometric abstraction). (done)
• I would move the image to the right, as it interferes with the quote in this subsection. comment: adjusted images; please indicate if it looks cleaner now
• In the caption, magazine seems redundant, and Henryk Stażewski should be 'Stażewski'. (done)
• of the early 1920s – ‘in the early 1920s’? (done)
• Unism - Could you briefly explain this term in the text? fixed Y (see below)
• It looks as if a new paragraph should begin at Shortly after the Vilnius exhibition.... (done)
• In the quotation, "Blok" should be in italics and not have any quote marks. (done)
• soon followed – soon is unnecessary, as the dates are given. (done)
• Move the link to typography where it first occurs in the section. (done)
• Praesens, for instance – Praesens is in italics. (done)
• in Rakowiec district of Warsaw can be simplified to ‘in the Rakowiec district’. (done)
• There shouldn’t be any enlarged images in the article. comment: I believe it's fixed now, please advise if still needs adjustment

Now sorted. AM

• One of the images in this section needs to be deleted or moved to avoid what Wikipedia calls ‘sandwiching’ (see MOS:SANDWICH). per above
• together with Władysław Strzemiński - 'together with Strzemiński' (unlink Strzemiński, as a link already exists). fixed Y
• and Mieczysław Szczuka - 'and Szczuka' (unlink Szczuka, as a link already exists). fixed Y

1.2.1 Relationships with European Avant-gardes

• Link oil painting. (done)
• Remove the link to World War II. (done)
• The last part of the second paragraph lacks a citation. done (please advise if sufficient)

Looks fine. AM

• and opened to the public – contains an external link which should be removed (or made into a citation, see MOS:OL). done

• Regarding your feedback on images in general: changed image size to 160 width across the article; please see if that works better or they need to be reformatted, thank you! Ppt91 (talk) 21:08, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

I've tweaked the images to remove any px sizes, such images normally don't need any adjusting. Amitchell125 (talk) 21:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

thank you, followed the same for the remaining images, reverting to default size Ppt91 (talk) 21:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Unlink a.r. group (dup link).done
• Władysław Strzemiński - 'Strzemiński' (unlinked as it's a dup link). done

2.1 Stalinist Poland (1947-1956)

• Link Bolesław Bierut; Wroclaw; mural. done
• Most of his work was destroyed during the war. Shortly after the war had ended, Stażewski returned - ‘Most of Stażewski’s work was destroyed during the war. Shortly after the war had ended, he returned’. done
• vocabularies (in the text and the caption) is idiomatic in this context and should be avoided (see MOS:IDIOM). Please ignore this comment if you can link the term. done (changed to "styles")
• Władysław Strzemiński – ‘Strzemiński’ (unlinked). done
• biomorphic abstraction – is an external link. done
• I would add a comma after company in Warsaw. done
• Katarzyna Kobro – ‘Kobro’ (unlinked). done
• Unlink Łunkiewicz-Rogoyska (dup link). done

Update: made a change in dates to specify historical periodization of Stalinism and added relevant sentence in the second paragraph including a new footnote. Please verify if this needs any further editing, as the edit was made after your review of the section. Thank you Ppt91 (talk) 23:50, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

It's OK. AM

More comments to follow. Despite the growing list, I haven't found any major issues yet. AM

2.2 Reliefs (1956-1970s)

• Unlink faktura (dup links in the text and in the caption). done unlinked from caption
• Khrushchev – needs his full name, a link, and an introduction. done
• It was around 1956 that - ‘In around 1956’ sounds better imo, done
• Unlink cardboard (it’s a commonly used word). done
• Why successively? done (removed)
• Introduce Stanisław Zamecznik. done
• in Polish contemporary art scene – there is a word missing. was it article "the"? added
• individual exhibitions - individual is redundant. done
• Crooked Circle Gallery – ‘the Crooked Circle Gallery’. done
• several of Stażewski's reliefs – reliefs is an external link. done
• The text ending ...to the American market needs to be cited. done
• have been described as simulating – can you add the person who is quoted? done
• who lived in Chicago – seems unnecessary. done
• recent work – avoid recent. done
• Back in Poland – Back is redundant, and I would consider starting a new paragraph here. done
• Link polychromatic. done

2.3 Later career (1966-1988)

• Tadeusz Kantor – ‘Kantor’ (unlinked). done
• Museum of Modern Art is a dup link. done
• Since 1970 – ‘from 1970’? done
• Instytut Awangardy – ‘the Instytut Awangardy’. This text, being in Polish, should be written {{lang|Instytut Awangardy|pl}}. Perhaps not GA stuff, but it’s good practice. comment: changed to "the Instytut Awangardy"; the template was returning an error; I'll circle back to fix

Apologies, the wikitext is {{lang|pl|Instytut Awangardy}}, which worked. AM

Thank you for fixing Ppt91 (talk) 20:39, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• twentieth century - ‘20th century’? done
• Link Dresden; Minneapolis. done
• I think Henryk Stażewski died should be at the start of a new paragraph. done

More comments to follow. I'll be adding small red crosses (N) to help highlight any outstanding issues. AM

3 Legacy

• Theo van Doesburg - ‘van Doesburg’ (unlinked). done
• Ditto Daniel Buren. done
• Muzeum Sztuki in Łódź is a dup link. done
• Hundredth – consider ‘100th’. done
• Stażewski's Colored Relief – the external link shouldn’t be there. done

3.1 Collections

• Dup links: Museum of Modern Art; Buffalo AKG Art Museum; Centre Pompidou; Muzeum Sztuki in Łódź; Władysław Strzemiński; De Stijl. done
• No full stop at the end of the caption. done
• Museum of Contemporary Art in Chicago, Museum of Contemporary Art in Los Angeles, Zachęta, National Gallery of Art in Warsaw, Centre Pompidou in Paris, and Tate Modern in London - should read 'the Museum of Contemporary Art in Chicago, the Museum of Contemporary Art in Los Angeles, Zachęta, the National Gallery of Art in Warsaw, the Centre Pompidou in Paris, and the Tate Modern in London’. done

3.2 Art market

• Link Milan. done
• a work of 20th-century Polish art - ‘a 20th-century Polish work of art’ sounds better imo. done

4 Gallery

• The tombstone image adds little to the article and I would remove it. done

5 See also

• As this section should only contain links to articles not already mentioned and linked in the article, it should be deleted, as all the links appear in the text. done

7 Further reading

• Consider expanding out exh. Cat. And Mus. A. Mod. (see MOS:ABBR). done removed source; will consider a more recent replacement, as it was an old catalogue

8 External links

• The external link for Culture.pl doesn’t work. done
• Biographies isn’t needed. done
• The external link to EB isn’t needed, as nothing is gained by reading it (see WP:LINKSTOAVOID). done

More comments to follow. The licencing of the images needs to be checked and the references spot checked, hopefully tomorrow. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:39, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Let me know if there is anything that needs to be addressed in the meantime. Ppt91 (talk) 16:55, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Just the Unism comment. Amitchell125 (talk) 17:44, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I have decided to remove the reference altogether; Strzeminski first published about Unism in 1928 and it was primarily related to applying his own theories of vision to painting, so in the context of Constructivism and Stażewski it will feel like a tangent. I will, however, create an English article (stub for now) on Unism and hopefully focus on it more when working on the Strzeminski article in the future. Let me know if anything else, other than bib and images, need editing. And thanks again for your thorough and thoughtful review. Ppt91 (talk) 18:36, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Images

I am using Jean Bellette as a reference article here (an FA about an artist with similar dates, so a useful template for me). I have adjusted some information about the images on the Wikipedia or WikiCommons pages.

• Image 1 (Stażewski ) The licencing for the infobox image looks fine, but how do you know the image was taken in the 1980s? He used the studio for nearly twenty years. comment: good point, it was my estimate based on the kind of works seen in the background typical of 1980s, especially what looks like this painting (https://www.artsy.net/artwork/henryk-stazewski-st-2) made in 1986 in the bottom right; I have no confirmation of the exact date though

You will need to remove the estimated date then. Amitchell125 (talk) 22:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC) done

• Image 2 (The front page of Blok) The caption shouldn’t have a full stop. As images of the publication are in the public domain (see https://jbc.bj.uj.edu.pl/dlibra/publication/92551), I have uploaded a large-sized version of the page from https://jbc.bj.uj.edu.pl/dlibra/publication/92554/edition/85906. The correct date is 8 March 1924, which I would include in the article. done (thanks for the upload and removed periods from all captions)
• Images 3 (Kompozycja) and 4 (Kompozycja fakturowa) - a suggestion only - Kompozycja is mentioned in the following section, along with Kompozycja fakturowa. There’s room for them both if placed next to each other, using Template:Multiple image, which is what I suggest is done. I can do this for you if you want. In the second half of the 1920s, Stażewski's work was influenced by the theories and work of the De Stijl artists is duplicated in the text of the article, and so isn’t needed in the caption. The works are both kept in the Muzeum Sztuki and I would include this information in the captions (e.g. for image 3 {{lang|Kompozycja|pl}}, oil on canvas ({{circa|1929{{ndash}}1930}}), [[Muzeum Sztuki]]). Image 4 (or the multiple images) could be moved up to the the top of this subsection, to make the article look more aesthetically pleasing.

comment: This sounds great. If it isn't too much trouble, I'd love to take you up on your offer to format the images and will much appreciate it!  Done AM

• Image 5 (Escape) The website where the image was obtained from calls the work Ucieczka in Polish, worth putting in for the sake of consistency? It is owned by the Fundacja Rodziny Staraków. The painting should be mentioned in the article, as I believe a non-free image cannot be used simply as an illustration.

done (source is mentioned in the original file description; should current ownership be also reflected in the caption?)

Yes I think so. AM

• Image 6 (On the Recovered Territories) the painting is owned by the National Museum, Szczecin (which can be linked). done Note: I've uploaded and used a fair-use version of the image, as the WikiCommons one is up for deletion. AM

comment: thank you Ppt91 (talk) 15:25, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I will also look into the Wikimedia upload, as the image was provided for CC by the museum through their own wiki (Pomeranica). However, the current version works for now and I appreciate your uploading it as a fair-use image. Ppt91 (talk) 16:02, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

More comments to follow tomorrow. AM

• Images 7-11 Gallery images, and 12 (Kompozycja pionowa nieograniczona), 13 (Nr. 49), 14 (Untitled), and 15 Neoplastic Room - all look OK. Y
• Image 16 (Infinite Vertical Composition) (gallery) - is very similar to another image used, and so should I think be discarded. done
• Image 17 (Untitled) (gallery) - is looking lost on its own, and can perhaps be left out, as it can easily be accessed at the WikiCommons page for Stażewski. Add {{Commons category}} to the external links section to help readers access the images there. done (removed the section altogether)

More comments to follow. AM

References

• Ref 1 (Bartelik); Ref 12 (Mikina); Ref 41 (NYT) Subscription templates ((subscription required)) would be useful at the end of this references. done
• Ref 3 and 23 are both better imo placed in a Notes section, Lodder occurs twice, so which one is being referred to here? The text needs to be properly cited. done (included "Notes" section and "Citations" separate below)
• Ref 7 (Kohlrausch) – the link doesn’t lead to the text and so I would omit it. done (removed link)
• Ref 20 (prawo) - the text shouldn’t be in capitals (MOS:CAPS). done

On hold

I'm putting the article on hold for a week until 26 January to allow time for the remaining issues raised to be addressed. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 14:19, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Amitchell125 I've gone through the remaining sections and I believe all issues have now been addressed. Please take a look whenever you have a moment. With much gratitude for your thorough and truly helpful feedback! Ppt91 (talk) 16:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Passing

The article is in great shape, so I'm now passing it. I'm assuming that the sources say very little about Stażewski's parents, childhood, or his life during the war, as rather strangely there's not a lot said about these things in the article, and a search through some of the sources yielded nothing else. Grove mentions he stopped painting during the war, which perhaps could be added.

There is a link here to what looks like his official biography in Polish (Ładnowska, used in Ref 33), which could be added to the reference, and perhaps highlighted somewhere in the article.

Congratulations on your first GA! Amitchell125 (talk) 16:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. As for his early years, you're right that it should be addressed a bit more, but sources are scarce. I actually was unaware that the Ladnowska catalogue was available online for free on MSL website--I have my own scans from when I borrowed the book--so that's very useful. I'll browse through it again and see if there are any milestones in his early life that could be added (and will include that he's stopped painting during the war, as well). Sending my best wishes! Ppt91 (talk) 16:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.