Talk:Herguan University

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It seems that HGU PR (Herguan University PR?) repeatedly copied content verbatim from the Herguan University website (http://herguanuniversity.org/std-faculty.php) to the Wikipedia page. This is blatant advertising. HGU PR also has the same content in the HGU PR user page. Maybe a warning to HGU PR is in order. jfeise (talk) 21:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

== Speedy Deletion ==

This article does not have credible sources. It is also written in an extreme bias.

No bias as far as I can see. This institution is not accredited. Also, this institution and its management has been the subject of several articles, including in the well-respected Chronicle of Higher Education. Therefore, contrary to the claim made by an anonymous IP address, this article has credible sources and should stay. jfeise (talk) 10:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Complaints

Many parts of this article are not sourced. Please review sources, to make appropriate edits. 85.161.2.181 (talk) 14:10, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure how you get the impression that things aren't sourced. The article from the Chronicle of Higher Education is a major source for this article. jfeise (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Please check references. Statements in this article are not sourced correctly. Edgar Valdezzz (talk) 08:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The statements in the article are sourced, e.g., from the Chronicle article. For example, the Chronicle article states that in an email, Herguan offered grades for money. That makes Herguan a diploma mill. jfeise (talk) 08:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The Oregon Office of Degree Authorization listed the school as unauthorized to offer degrees in Oregon. The original statement was not found within the article. The Chronicle states the school costs money, how is this is a diploma mill? Please do not reference the comments section of the source. Indian students are also not the only students who attend the school. Please, in the future make edits in accordance with the sources, do not exaggerate. Wikipedia articles need to maintain a sense of credibility by presenting true facts without bias.Edgar Valdezzz (talk) 08:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The Chronicle article states: "Four current or former Herguan employees said that failing students have routinely been given passing grades in exchange for paying extra money." That is paraphrased in this article, and it makes Herguan a diploma mill. jfeise (talk) 08:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Four past students, out of how many, did the teachers get fired? How can this determine that the school is a diploma mill. Please just keep the article directly related to facts, and please do not exaggerate. Thank you.Edgar Valdezzz (talk) 08:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

It is irrelevant how many students complained about it. The Chronicle is a reliable source, and therefore, this is a relevant statement. This is a reliable source. Please do not remove sourced information, and stop your vandalism. Thank you. jfeise (talk) 09:00, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Please stop your vandalism. Please if you would like to include facts regarding the chronicle, please keep them related to the article. The oregon statement is incorrect, the indian statement is incorrect, and the diploma mill statement is incorrect. As long as the statements coordinate with the sources, I will not edit/revert back. Thank you. For the record, are you affiliated with this school in any way? It appears you have very strong discontent with the school.Edgar Valdezzz (talk) 09:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

It seems that it is you who is affiliated with this organization, since you are vandalizing this page by removing information that appears to be harmful to this particular organization. I have no personal interest in this organization at all. I am just watching articles about educational institutions here. Both the diploma mill statement and the Indian student statement came from the Chronicle article. Therefore, these are valid statements here. And while the statement on the Oregon website legally only applies to Oregon (the state of Oregon has no legal power in other states), educational institutions all over the US refer to the Oregon page (and a similar page in Texas) in determining admissibility, etc. And from personal experience, private employers do as well. It is sad that other states don't provide such pages, but that doesn't mean that the page from Oregon does not provide valid information. jfeise (talk) 09:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

This could go on all day. I do not edit what is sourced, so please moving forward keep it relevant and do not make assumptions based on these articles.

Moving forward, the information about Herguan selling grades and therefore being a diploma mill should get back in. That's sourced. Similar, for the info about Herguan enrolling mostly Indian students. Also sourced. For the Oregon reference, a line saying that this has legal value only in Oregon may be ok. There are lots of other countries, though, where using a degree from a non-accredited institution is illegal, even without that being listed on a webpage like in Oregon. jfeise (talk) 10:02, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

That is a stretch. Do not revert back to original, please rewrite using appropriate sources, language should always be written to appear credible and not should never resemble hate/bashing.Edgar Valdezzz (talk) 10:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Why would it be a stretch? Other than not fitting your agenda, of course. The Chronicle of Higher Education is a reliable source. Please explain why you think that information from the Chronicle should not be used here. Information coming from there is appropriate in Wikipedia, even if it doesn't fit your agenda. It has nothing to do with hate or bashing, It is using a reliable source like the Chronicle. If you think that is "hate/bashing", you may want to take it up with the Chronicle. Please do not push an agenda here. Thank you. jfeise (talk) 18:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Repeated removal of sourced material

The material that (as of this version) is included under "Enrollment and other practices" has been repeatedly removed without any justification. The material is sourced to a reliable source, and as it reflects the only significant coverage the institution has received, cannot be said to be undue weight.

Please do not remove it again without providing a detailed rationale. ^Bongo_matic 08:10, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2014

HERGUAN UNIVERSITY IS ACCREDITED RECENTLY FROM ACICS 2601:5:C80:19B:F11E:F578:81B2:E5EE (talk) 20:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Can anybody find a reference to back the claim up? Only thing I can find off-hand is a mention of Herguan's initial accreditation being delayed until Dec 2014 (from Aug 2014). LionMans Account (talk) 22:59, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

The only reference I have found is in the DoE database: http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/ ACICS doesn't list Herguan in their member directory at this point. jfeise (talk) 23:24, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough, added in the info. LionMans Account (talk) 03:57, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2015

199.168.151.164 (talk) 15:58, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

• Removed per WP:LIBEL - Pishcal — ♣ 16:09, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2015 ADDITIONS AND CORRECTIONS

Please change nickname = to |nickname = HGU

BusterBrown66 (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Done Kharkiv07^Talk 22:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Please change

At one time, it was on the Oregon Office of Degree Authorization list of unaccredited colleges.[3]

to

At one time, it was on the Oregon Office of Degree Authorization list of unaccredited colleges.

BusterBrown66 (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Partly done: I removed the whole line as unsourced Kharkiv07^Talk 22:08, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Please change The University's MBA and MSCS programs operate with approval from the California Department of Consumer Affairs' Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education.

to

The University's MBA and MSCS programs operate with approval from the California Department of Consumer Affairs' Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education.[4] BusterBrown66 (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done for now: Why does this have to be done? Kharkiv07^Talk 22:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2015

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Kharkiv07^Talk 22:10, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2015 ADDITIONS AND CORRECTIONS

Please change nickname = to so there is a reference if someone refers to the school in this way. |nickname = HGU

BusterBrown66 (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Already done Kharkiv07^Talk 22:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Please change this line since there is no longer a list. This link is dead.

At one time, it was on the Oregon Office of Degree Authorization list of unaccredited colleges.[3]

to

At one time, it was on the Oregon Office of Degree Authorization list of unaccredited colleges.

BusterBrown66 (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Already done Kharkiv07^Talk 22:12, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Please change the list of degrees by dropping MSEE which is no longer on the BPPE list of programs for the school. The University's MBA and MSCS programs operate with approval from the California Department of Consumer Affairs' Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education.

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The University's MBA and MSCS programs operate with approval from the California Department of Consumer Affairs' Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education.[4] BusterBrown66 (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Why does this have to be done? Kharkiv07^Talk 22:12, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

References

ACICS accreditation

On Sept. 22, 2016, the US Department of Education terminated the "recognition of ACICS as a national recognized accrediting agency." However, ACICS has 30 days to appeal, and is still a recognized accreditation agency during that process, which means that this institution is still accredited. jfeise (talk) 21:17, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2017

December Spelling is not correct Manishguptame (talk) 21:34, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 21:39, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2021

Herguan University was a private, unaccredited, university and alleged visa mill[1] in Sunnyvale, California operated by Dr. Ying Qiu Wang. As of 2019, its domain names herguanuniversity.edu[2] and herguanuniversity.org[3] appear to be abandoned. Ra0687 (talk) 03:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Herguan University is a private, accredited, university operated by Dr. Ying Qiu Wang. As of 2019, its domain names herguanuniversity.org.

 Not done: The website does appear abandoned, with the latest updates to class schedules from 2013. No information for accreditation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:44, 25 August 2021 (UTC)