Talk:Hermann-Bernhard Ramcke

Post-war timeline detail needed

• When did he mail the letter from town outside POW camp? {New Years Day, 1946}
• When was he released from POW camp and sent home to Germany? {He wasn't}
• Or was he sent directly to France for prosecution, and if so, when? {Spring 1946}

Thanks. Azx2 07:31, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Award of Knights Cross with Diamonds

According to “The Walls Have Ears”, an account of the operation at Tent Park, the award of Knights Cross with Diamonds was concocted by his interrogators. They believed that having satisfied his vanity and thirst for the highest decorations, he would open up to his interrogators having proven to be uncooperative so far. A fake citation was concocted which cited the Generals bravery in the defence of Brest. The interrogator Heimwarth Justin visited the General with some of the Generals confiscated Cognac to celebrate his award. During the evening Ramcke spilled the beans on everything that he had previously declined to divulge.

Apparently Ramcke never discovered that his award was a fake.

“The Walls Have Ears”. ISBN 978-0-300-23860-0, p201 - 204, sourced from Heimwarth Justin’s “A Memoir”, p 19 - 20.

7th Sept 2020

176.251.230.203 (talk) 22:46, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

This is exactly why no-one can trust wikipedia anymore. POV is rampant in this article, and this talk goes way over the top.

First, get the facts right. Ramcke was awarded the Swords and Diamonds to the Knights Cross after his surrender - possibly the only case of a citation being airdropped into an enemy HQ in history. The record of the 20th Swords & Diamonds in the German Federal Archive is not something that was faked. And yes, I have actually seen Ramcke's Knight's Cross with my own eyes, complete with the Oak Leaves and the Swords. A piece of jewelry like that is not something one can just fabricate in a muddy tent.

But thanks to Wiki-NOTRUTH, all one needs is a biased source willing to fabricate, and the truth, such as can be found in General Middleton's memoirs, gets swept away (does anyone see any mention of the fact that Middleton travelled to France to assist in Ramcke's trial - for the defense). Then, and in his writings you can read in the Middleton library, he called much of what is said about the charges BS - no mention here of course.

It is sad that this crowd-source repository of knowledge has been allowed to descend into a repository of slanted inclusions/omissions, or sometimes simply false "alternative facts". The Mallett dissertation is so overflowing with false information that it is a wonder it was ever accepted. Mallett even states repeatedly that Ramcke was pro-Bolshevik - apparently unaware that he fought as a volunteer infantryman against them after WWI..(A position that should also have been clear reading Damals und Danch - if Mallet actually read it and did not just copy citations. The book was not out in English yet in 2013) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.69.57.14 (talk) 21:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

• 161.69.57.14 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), I don't understand your complaint. None of the stuff you're going on about (the award being fake or whatever) is actually in the article. There is no The Walls Have Ears cited in the article. The Mallett dissertation isn't being used to source anything related to an award, nor is it just a dissertation: it's published by the UP of Kentucky and by Oxford UP, so if you're going to call it "overflowing with false information" you're going to have to do much better. Drmies (talk) 21:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)