Talk:Herschel H. Cudd/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: S Masters (talk) 06:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Article appears to comply with WP:NPOV.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Article appears to be stable.

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments:

• Wikilinks should only be made on the first mention. Do not link more than once.
• You might want a third-party editor give a once over for this article. There are missing punctuation marks throughout, and Cudd becomes Hudd halfway through the article.  Done
• There is insufficient referencing in the lead. If these are referenced further down, move those references up to the lead.  Done
• There is no need to provide multiple references for the one point. One reference is sufficient.
• This is very little about his personal life. Where/how did he die? For the oil and cigarettes section, more details such as notable achievements, would be good. Currently, it's just a string of appointments, which is really not that interesting to readers.

Summary: In addition to the issues mentioned above, I feel that there is not enough information in this article to provide a true picture of the man, and hence does not make this a Good Article. I will, however, provide seven days for these issues to be resolved.

I don't see any missing punctuation marks? And good call on the Cudd/Hudd thing. That was a silly mistake, and it's been fixed. As for referencing in the lead, I've had FAC noms where they've explicitly told me to *not* reference in the lead when the fact is present in the article; is there a policy page that points to one or the other of those choices? And the multiple references generally point to different parts of the same point; for example, #1 could be that Cudd was part of a company and #2 was that the company was sold. Either way, I've never seen a reviewer say there was *too much* referencing. I personally believe it's okay to relink things if they were previously mentioned halfway across the page. So if something's linked in the lead I will relink it in the article body. I did fix the one instance I found of something that was linked twice in the body, though. As for the lack of content about his personal life/death, I've put everything about him that I was able to find into the article and referenced it. I would understand if the content available is not complete enough to make GA. But thank you for taking the time to review the article. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 20:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

• "From 1954 to 1960 he was a Vice President..." - It needs a comma after 1960. This is also to be consistent with the start of the following paragraph, which has a comma after a similar phrase.  Done
• Yes, there is a policy on this, see WP:CITELEAD. Since, you have started referencing some parts of the lead, you might want to be consistent and include more. For instance, is R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company less important?
• In the case of references pointing to different parts of a sentence, place the reference exactly where the fact is, even if it is in the middle of the sentence. As awkward as it is, this is what is required.
• In terms of too much referencing, I have seen many reviewers ask for references to be removed, if the case applies. For example, the would be no need to have 20 references for the day that a particular person died. You have three references at the end of one sentence. If all three refer to different parts of the sentence, then move the references to where they belong in the sentence. If all there reference the entire sentence, then remove two of the references. One is sufficient.
• Here is the policy on wikilinks - WP:REPEATLINK. If the article was very long or highly technical, then I can see the advantage of having multiple links. However, this particular article is relatively short, and I can't see why they need to be repeated.
• I am trying to look at comparable articles in the category of GAs of chemists and materials scientists, and of the small entries there, Pierre-François Chabaneau and Alexander Shulgin are particularly short. Having said that, both GAs were awarded before or around the same time as a 2007-2008 review of the GA process. As not all contain very personal information, I am still wiling to consider this article for GA, provided that all issues are resolved.

Thanks for all your hard work and let's see how far you can make this article better. -- S Masters (talk) 05:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarifications. I've worked on some of these issues, but I don't really feel that it quite meets your expectations yet. I'm going to be busy the rest of the week, so if you go ahead and fail the nom there won't be any hard feelings. The real issue is finding sources that state (in detail) what he did in these positions after Georgia Tech; I'm sure there's something out there, but I haven't found it yet. When I get some more time the next task could be using the sources I have and expanding on those sections of the article. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 18:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

More or less the entirety of his post-GT life is from this source: "Rjr Nabisco Notice of Annual Meeting and Proxy Statement". TobaccoDocuments.org. 1982-03-17. Retrieved 2010-01-28.

“ HERSCHEL H. CUDD, 69, former Senior Vice President, Standard Oil Company (Indiana). From 1963 to 1974 Mr. Cudd served as President of Amoco Chemicals Corporation, a worldwide manu- facturer and marketer of chemicals and plastics and a subsidiary of Standard 011. He is also a former Director of Standard Oil. Before joining Standard Oil In 1963, he was President of Avisun Corporation, then jointly owned by American Viscose Corporation and Sun Oil Company. From 1954 to 1960 he was a Vice President of American Viscose.

Earlier he had been Director of the Engineering Experiment Station of Georgia Institute of Technology and a Division Manager for West Point Manufacturing Company, and held research management positions with Inter- national Minerals and Chemical Corporation and E. I. du Pont de Nemours & Company.

Mr. Cudd is an Honorary Life Trustee of the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. He has served twice as a Director of the Manufacturing Chemists Association and hasperved on its executive committee. Mr. Cudd is a graduate of Texas A & I University and received master's and doctor's degrees in chemistry from the University of Texas.

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—Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 18:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Final comments: This article has the potential to be a Good Article, however it requires more work to meet all the GA requirements. I would like to thank all the editors that have worked hard on this article so far. Once all of the issues above have been addressed, you can renominate this article. On this particular occasion, I am afraid that I have to fail the GAN. -- S Masters (talk) 04:43, 18 April 2010 (UTC)