Talk:Hersir
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This page is trash
editA severe lack of citations and a lot of high school level speculative statements.
"The religion of the hersir" that's like saying "the religion of the firefighter"
Ludicrously low effort entry. 131.93.207.188 (talk) 12:21, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- I agree. Not just speculative trash, but also a lot of irrelevant general "viking stuff". I would recommend the Norwegian article be translated to english and replace the whole thing. Jwzh (talk) 19:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Odin
edit“the supreme creator Odin” is silly and should be changed or removed as it gives the wrong understanding of how Odin was perceived. 2607:FB91:1A51:C1B2:28EE:B789:534:6A33 (talk) 03:22, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Translation as per Jwzh's request
editHi, here's a rough draft for the translation of the NO article: // Hersir (perhaps derived from Norse «herr» in the sense of "band") was an old Norwegian chieftain's title that was in use until around the year 1050. It seems that "hersir" was an old term of rank from the time of clan society which fell out of use after as the royal power strengthened its position.
Snorre Sturlason writes in The Saga of Harald Fairhair in Heimskringla that King Harald appointed an earl in each county and that each "[...] should have under him four hersir or more, and each of them should have twenty marks of wealth; each earl was to provide sixty men in the king's army, and each hersir twenty men."[1] Bugge mentions that the earls and hersir whom Harald Hårfagre appointed were the king's deputies and tax collectors.[2]
In the time of Olav II Haraldsson (the Saint), the Hersir title seems to have fallen out of use,[3] and the Hersir were replaced by «lendr maðr» who, to a greater extent, received their power from the king and not from the old family community.
Icelandic sagas mention a number of chieftains in West Norway with hersir title, e.g. Erling Skjalgsson.
1. ^ Heimskringla, The Saga of Harald Fairhair, chapter 6
2. ^ Alexander Bugge, Norges historie (1910), volume 1. Part 2, p. 122
3. ^ footnote to the Saga of Halvdan the Black in Heimskringla, 1979, ed. Finn Hødnebø and Hallvard Magerøy
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"Lend maðr" has its own article in EN Wiki, and should be linked. Other streamlining as required. T 84.208.65.62 (talk) 15:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)