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Deep Purple

"This is a common misconception. They were formed in Hereford."

Really? The link that was provided (to AllMusic.com) states that they actually do indeed come from Hertford. In any case, I have removed the above phrase from the article, as it belongs on this talk page.

pronunciation

The so-called standard pronunciation is unhelpful since phonetic script isn't used. It would be very strange in modern south-eastern English to pronounce either of the Rs. The so-called local pronunciation in IPA is useful, though "local" may here be used to mean "working class". The RP for the word would be similar to the so-called local prounciation, though the aitch would not be dropped. Pronouncing the t as /t/ (rather than the glottal stop shown in the local pronunciation) would sound pretentious.

I don't see what's so confusing about the pronunciation, it's comprised of two words; hart which is pronounced the same as "heart" and ford which is pronounced the same as the car company. I've lived here all my life and never once heard any one say it with a silent "t" as the article gives as an alternate pronunciation, only with a silent "r" which is more down to accents. -Kieran

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Hmm. I was born in Hertford and lived there for a long time, and I learned to say /ˈhɑːfəd/. No /t/, no glottal stop, no /r/. I suppose it's all changed now. -- Frans Fowler (talk) 23:19, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

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I have removed the "local variant" re-spelling of the name from the page. I agree that locally the "t" in Hertford is not consistently sounded, but when it isn't sounded there is a glottalisation - "Harford" is too smooth. I believe the situation is similar to the "jetlag" example given on Help:IPA/English, which advises that we still include the "t" in the pronunciation guides for such words. Stortford (talk) 16:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Chain stores

Para 5 listed a number of supermarkets and chain stores that are situated in the town, with a parenthetical comment after each indicating the market it supposedly caters to (eg Waitrose (upmarket)). This seems to me to be opinionated and probably worthless, if it's really thought necessary to explain such well-known companies' ethos then simply linking through to their individual pages would be better. --Lost tourist 17:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Shops removed from Economy section

I've removed the shops, and will continue to revert any changes made to this section.

It's beginning to become a free advert section which Wikipedia prohibits.

None of the additions had citations, the text appeared to be written by associates or friends of the companies, and was therefore biased.

I'm all for adding local companies, but only if they can be qualified by news sources like local newspapers, or other signficant online references.

Your comments and suggestions? Jamsta (talk) 17:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Companies should only be listed if they are notable. For instance, Tesco was founded in Hackney, so it gets a mention there. Other branches, shouldn't be (unless -say- it was the largest store in Europe). If an individual store had been in the ownership of the same family for 100 years - that might be notable; but as you say anything has to be referenced to a reliable source. A building of architectural interest should be Grade II, or better. There are other places for people to list their favourite shops, restaurants and pubs. Churches and schools are local landmarks - but they should be just that, local; and included only in the relevant article. The NHS and council tend to be the largest local employers, so usually worth a mention under economy. If in doubt, see guidance at How to write about settlements HTH Kbthompson (talk) 17:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. Jamsta (talk) 18:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

McDonald's

Does anyone really care where Hertford's McDonald's is? Hertford will be around long after McDonald's ceases to exist as, hopefully, will Wikipedia. There is a lot that could be added about the town, e.g. the home of Alfred Wallace, the closure of the Addis factory, but McDonald's?? Roundtheworld (talk) 18:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Very true, we just need someone with the knowledge, writing skills and if possible some citations. Jamsta (talk) 18:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Hertford mcDonalds is not that exsiting Wkc19 :) (talk) 17:21, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

changes made 22-23 May

I have had a go at improving the Hertford write-up. This involves restructuring, removal of duplications, some removal of unnecessary refs to hamburger joints (see above) and insertion of information on some more landmarks, with links to photos. Don't know what to do about the trivia section, though. Hope you like it.Roundtheworld (talk) 06:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

"one of a dwindling number of independent brewers"

This couldn't be further from the truth as the number of independent and craft brewers is now at a record high since the second world war. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest/2009/09/10/real-ale-success-bucks-pub-decline-115875-21661558/84.92.31.122 (talk) 07:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the point made (not by me) is still valid. You can't compare McMullens with someone who brews beer in his garage. Would "one of the dwindling number of independent large-scale brewers" address the problem?Roundtheworld (talk) 17:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

No. What WOULD address the problem is calling them "one of the dwindling number of pre-1970 family brewers". Which is what it now says. Zythophile (talk) 17:09, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Henry Stout

The literature suggests that "stout" first appeared in writing in 1677 so it is unlikely to have been invented then. I have changed the text to "the 1670s". Agricmarketing (talk) 14:04, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The claim that Henry Stout might have invented stout is nonsense. There is no evidence whatsoever that Henry Stout had anything to do with the "invention" of stout, the drink. "Stout" was an adjective meaning strong, and was originally applied to strong drink of any sort. The man's name was a coincidence. And he was a maltster, not a brewer. I have removed the reference. Zythophile (talk) 17:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Economy

The article says that employment is centred on County Hall, Wallfields, and the McMullens Brewery yet completely ignores all of the high street shops and businesses on the industrial estates. I also find it funny how there's no mention of all the pubs we have, I could list ten off the top of my head. -Kieran — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.181.232 (talk) 00:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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Cricketers Stuart Cradock and Lawrence Wright were born in Hertford.

Are these guys really sufficiently notable to be included here? Roundtheworld (talk) 10:21, 5 August 2019 (UTC)