Talk:High School Musical 3: Senior Year (soundtrack)

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I really don't think there's a need to make an absolute mess of this page with all the various rumored track lists, it should be limited to the songs confirmed by Disney or cast members. Also, blogs aren't really the best sources. If they list a source, it's better to post the source they go their information some. If they don't have a source, there's no telling whether the information is true or not. Orbi (talk) 09:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I went to www.stlyrics.com and the song titles were different from the titles posted on the page. Looks like someone or some people made rumors about which songs were going to be played in the movie coming out in October. Cookie Monster (talk) 17:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

What the heck is this? The song 'Walk Away', by Gabriella, is a sad song, and it is track 9 or something, yet there are only 3 traks after it. Quick sadnees, quick fix. Disney hasn't done that in HSM yet, and I don't think they will. I think this is made up. Tama-Wama-Cally! (talk) 03:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Release Dates

The german soundtrack will come out on 24th October (I know it, I am german/in Germany). I would chance the table but I don't understand it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shego123 (talk • contribs) 08:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

If you get it when it comes out, let us know whether US5 sings "The Boys are Back" in German or English. I'm not sure whether it belongs in the international versions table or not. —C.Fred (talk) 13:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

US5 sings the song in englisch. First it should just for Germany, but yesterday in a show they said, it is known in Europe and Asian. The music video is on YouTube. And there's a mistake in the table... --Shego123 (talk) 09:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

"Last Chance" removed?

Since the full version of "Last Chance" was not released with the other songs of HSM 3, when would they plan to release it? Also, please cite the actual reason on why "Last Chance" is not released in the soundtrack to make it clear and reliable. Altarep (talk) 04:32, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandilism (is that how you spell it?)

Someone vandalized this page, replacing some of it with EHEHE.--Joshua H-Star-R (talk) 12:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

High School Musical 3: Senior Year 2-Disc Premiere Edition Soundtrack

Why do we need this long of a heading and not just "Two-disc premiere edition"? What other soundtrack would we be discussing in this article? —C.Fred (talk) 01:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

We don't need it at all. There's no ambiguity in the shorter title.—Kww(talk) 01:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

"C.Fred" I mentioned my reason why in your talk inbox. ;Ashfreak261(talk)

If the full name is that relevant, it can go in the prose of the section. There's no need for it in the section heading. —C.Fred (talk) 01:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry. What do you mean by "prose"? (BTW, could we continue our talk in my talk box. Please create a new subject) Ashfreak261 (talk) 01:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

Discussions about article content should be done on the article's talk page, not in user talk pages. Why do you keep making this change when other editors keep removing it? Doesn't that give you the idea that other editors think the shorter title is better?—Kww(talk) 02:19, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

My reason was on the "C.Fred" user talk page. Ashfreak261 (talk) 02:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

Well, you didn't really give a reason. You said

Ummmm...."C.Fred" listen. I didn't mean to make you like angry or anything. I just keep adding the "High School Musical 3:___ Soundtrack" just so the article has the full proper name. Besides, I'm new to Wikipedia and I don't know really know how it works (I hope this message gets to you....). Yeah, again, sorry if I upseted you or something (reply to my talk when done reading) (-user:Ashfreak261) 02:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

So, why do you think that it's important the the section header include the "full proper name", and so important that you were willing to revert other editors multiple times?—Kww(talk) 02:43, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I did. I said that the section of the article should deserve it full official name, which is officially "High School Musical 3: Senior Year 2-Disc Preimere Edition Soundtrack". Besides, it was there before I made my account. I'm just trying to keep its name. Ashfreak261 (talk) 02:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

You've said that you are new here, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Generally, if your change keeps getting taken out, that's a sign that other editors disagree with you. In this case, your change has been removed from the article ten times, by six different editors. C. Fred started a discussion, and not one other editor has been in support of your position. Continuing to make a change that no one agrees with is called "edit warring", and can lead to you being blocked from editing.—Kww(talk) 02:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I just don't get how this is such a big deal. It had (I added) just a few extra words in the title. Really, what's the harm O_o? (BTW, I don't think it was nesscitary (<-- can't spell) or nice of you to bold the number of people who don't support me :(.....) Ashfreak261 (talk) 03:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

It's the way things are done. It doesn't matter if the change is big or small, if everyone else disagrees, you don't push it.—Kww(talk) 03:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, why do you think no one agrees with me huh?! (sorry. Anger problem.....)Ashfreak261 (talk) 03:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

I'll try again: you made that change ten times. Every time you made it, another editor reverted it. It wasn't just one editor, it was six different editors. C. Fred started a discussion here, and no one said you were right. No one.—Kww(talk) 03:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, geez, man. I feel SO Much better now. Thanks man. Thanks. And, for the record, some people actually DO agree with me :O. Ashfreak261 (talk) 18:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

I have no intention of making you feel better, and am not at all concerned with your emotional state. I simply want you to stop editing disruptively, and have been trying to explain to you why you should have been able to detect the problems with your edits on your own.—Kww(talk) 18:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I just don't get how people just won't leave it alone. I was the one who organized the track listing of the soundtrack in the first place. I was a complete mess before I made my account. ([Being the age that I am] You sir are mean, and not caring to other people.) -Ashfreak261 (talk) 19:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

While you are reviewing policies and guidelines, you should probably read WP:NPA as well.—Kww(talk) 19:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

You think I'm doing a personal attack on you then O_o? (trying to be rational)-Ashfreak261 (talk) 19:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

How else should I interpret you calling me "mean"?—Kww(talk) 19:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, no offense man, but no one like to hear "no one has ever supported you on [insert subject]". I don't care that you don't care, but how did you think I feel huh? I think that's an attack on me -Ashfreak261 (talk) 19:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

I was making a factual statement about your position: no other editor has been inserting the same information as you. No other editor has commented in support of your position. No other editor has reverted an editor that removed your change. These are all facts that should have led you to stop inserting it. What consideration of those facts does to you emotionally is irrelevant, and should not result in you characterising me as uncaring or mean.—Kww(talk) 19:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was the one who fixed it up. I would like it if people wouldn't keep fixing my edits unless it was to add any additional information. I actually do have other people helping me fix the edits. The user names that have numbers and changed it to my perfered title, those are actually my friends who support me. They may not have a Wikipedia account, but I know I can depend on them for anything (I love you guys :D). And, yes, I'm sensitive. I want people to know how I feel on how they response to stuff, and I do think adding emotions to chats is relevant. -Ashfreak261 (talk) 19:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

May I suggest reading this, then? Having people edit for you is not consensus, and in fact breaks the rules here. I've requested semi-protection to prevent the IP addresses from editing until this is resolved. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 20:34, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, how come people are helping "C.Fred" and "KKW"? Why can't people help me, huh? -Ashfreak261 (talk) 23:17, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

It's not help, so much as unrelated editors who happen to agree with the point(s) of view we've presented. That's the way consensus is built: there's discussion on the talk page among the editors involved in the article. I also point out this line from the policy that Mwwaew cited above: "Consensus in many debates and discussions is not based upon number of votes, but upon policy-related points made by editors."

As to the matter at hand, there is not policy on section headings, but IMO, the shorter the heading, the more readable the table of contents - the long title makes for a very wide TOC. If the full title is really necessary, it can be placed in the text of the section as opposed to the heading. —C.Fred (talk) 23:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry. What is "IMO" and "TOC"? -Ashfreak261 (talk) 23:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

You get a pass on IMO, since I wasn't being humble. :) (IMHO = In My Humble Opinion; IMO = In My Opinion.) TOC refers to the Table Of Contents of an article. —C.Fred (talk) 23:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't mean to sound stupid, but what do you mean "IMO" and "IMHO"? How are they any different? -Ashfreak261 (talk) 23:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

I came up with a solution that would make everyone happy. I have put my perfered title in the caption without changing the article section name. That way I would have my title, and you people would have yours. I was just fed up with our fighting and insulting of each other. I hope this way, our differences will be settled :). -Ashfreak261 (talk) 03:16, 15 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

Since it was both unnecessary and misspelled, I removed it. Not worth the effort to correct.—Kww(talk) 03:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't get it O_o. It's that this way, we both get what we want..... -Ashfreak261 (talk) 03:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

I won't bother to take it out anymore. Someone else might. If they do, please don't edit war over it any more.—Kww(talk) 03:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Finally! We agree on something. Well, I hope this fight between us done. Who knows? Maybe we might be on the same side one day..... -Ashfreak261 (talk) 03:52, 15 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

OK, the spelling is correct (though odd). I invested a wee bit of time into this section, and hopefully it is tighter, and better placed (it was in the middle of the track listing, which seemed quite odd). The edits are fairly easy to revert if this is objectionable. All the best. sinneed (talk) 04:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Good so now I don't have to defend you kevin? <BTW:Are you on? I'm still new to this... this is sabbylu....> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabinasabn101 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

No. Thanks though Sabrina :D ;) -Ashfreak261 (talk) 05:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)Ashfreak261

International version

About the removal of international versions, they aren't sourced and aren't notable. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't find a single other ablum article that indiscriminately lists international versions of the original album. BOVINEBOY2008 17:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

These versions are notable because they are heavily marketed by Disney alongside the movie and soundtrack's release in other markets. They are pitched to pop radio, they have music videos tied together with the original music video, and some of them are performed by notable national pop stars who have coverage on English wikipedia as well. The music videos are also released on the high school musical DVDs in those markets and are generally advertised as a main part of the "bonus features". Furthermore just the shear fact that they are official licensed versions marketed by Disney themselves and international music distribution partner EMI, merits at least a mention on the page. I do not see how it is not encyclopedic and arguments against listing the essential details like singer, title, and country, can be deemed too American-centric. These are a component that help the international marketing exposure, and ultimately, the international box office revenues of the films. Imperatore (talk) 18:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how it can be considered American-centric when the English versions were released in most English-speaking regions, and since this is English wiki, I think we should focus on English versions. But you claim these versions are notable, but you haven't brought a single source to prove its notability. BOVINEBOY2008 18:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

When the DVD is released in those markets, the bonus feature that includes the unique market music video is standard for that market's edition, therefore making it a notable component of the movie. Same goes for the album, the unique market tracks are included on the CD as bonus tracks. Furthermore I do agree that the original English version is the focus content, and this is why there's only one relatively small sized section devoted to these spinoffs. Moreover, I can't see how such an official association to such a notable soundtrack/movie can be deemed not notable in an encyclopedic context. Imperatore (talk) 19:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia is for English speakers, but people don't have to live in America to use it. Internationals versions are just as important as the original tracks because they are official releases in the same way that the others are. Sources would be nice addition, but the songs are definitely notable. I would compare it to the countless examples of albums released in multiple countries which have different track listings and sometimes completely different songs. We always include the other versions in those cases, so I can't imagine why it would be anything different here. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

To high scool musical 1&2&3

We all high scool musicals please come bluefield wv soon  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.49.19.77 (talk) 00:20, 4 September 2009 (UTC)