Talk:Hilary Duff/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 08:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

• I will get to this soon.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

• This article generally well-cited, but it has three entirely uncited paragraphs. Since each paragraph is suppose to present a new topic, each should have at least one citation.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:20, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
• The article has a half dozen problem citations.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:37, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
• In addition, as has been discussed in prior reviews, the sources may be questionable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
• I see some reference formatting issues (Bare urls, unlinked notable references).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

• This article has a long history of reviews. I will consider the March 2010 Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Hilary Duff/1 before doing my own independent reveiw.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

The much-discussed WP:LEAD almost summarizes her article. Make sure that each section has some summary statement in the LEAD.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

You seem to have responded to all other concerns. I will now do an independent review.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:LEAD

• I'd add humanitarian to the first sentence.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:00, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

? Uncertain of what you mean. Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

actress, singer, entrepreneur, author and humanitarian is what I would say.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 00:06, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

• I'd clarify studio album and compilation album for the two platinums.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:00, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Those art terms I would link on first use.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 22:07, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

• I think the personal section is the only section not represented in the LEAD. Her hubby is notable so mention him.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:00, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

• I hate to do this, but it is not a fair reflection on her career to omit that she is a 3x Razzie award nominee.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

• It is O.K. to balance this with some other popularity metrics, but I am not sure how.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

? Agree, but I think the way I've worded it seems fair. Popularity measures might make it seem too superfluous. Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

• Is she on any of those sex symbol hot 100 lists?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

? Are these notable enough? Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Please add them to the article, if they exist. They belong in the public image section. Being a recognized sex symbol is an element of public image when relevant.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:10, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done; added much more info about this in public image. Stephenjamesx (talk) 00:06, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Are those WP:RSed?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:33, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Early life

• I am not sure if more explanation is necessary or not, but why was she in a Columbus, OH company performing in San Antonio at that age if she was raised in Houston?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

N After doing research, the BalletMet Colombus (also known simply as BalletMet) is a touring company. I don't think explanation is needed. Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:56, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

State that they are a travelling company.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 22:07, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

2003–06

Breakthrough film roles

• It seems the reviews in the first 2 paras are about the films and not her.

I disagree. I think it helps understand her public image and general perception as an actress. Stephenjamesx (talk) 17:54, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

You need to augment that with criticism on her performances.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Please see my recent edits to see if I'm going down the right lines. Do excuse me not formatting the cites. I will get to that soon. Stephenjamesx (talk) 00:50, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Whenever possible provide both the critic's name and the media in which he expressed his opinion along with the quote. Those two things allow the reader to attach his/her own weight to each comment. Also, link each notable critic on first use.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

2007–present

Independent films and television appearances

Spell out and link LA Times and fix the bare URL.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:53, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

2001–04

Santa Claus Lane, Metamorphosis and Hilary Duff

• "it coincided with other high profile projects in which she was involved in other media." - Can you make this more concrete?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Deleted this sentence. It's more to do with the album's promotion than Duff's career. It is included on the Metamorphosis page. Stephenjamesx (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

• "number one on the US and Canadian charts" - Do these charts have links?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Why don't we just link it on first use (with full name) and then spell it out subsequently.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:23, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 22:07, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

2005–08

Compilation albums and Dignity

• "which also peaked at number 1 on Billboard's Hot Dance Club Songs chart, becoming the first of her three consecutive number ones on that chart." - 1.) Do you mention the second? 2.) Although outside your responsibility to this aritcle, it seems like you might want to add a column to Hilary Duff discography for Hot Dance Club Songs or at least ping several of the leading editors of the discography. If she seems to have her best success on that chart, that is something that should be included on that page. Her Hot 100 showings don't mesh with her album performances and belie her musical popularity during her prime. That will show she was a dance club star although not a radio airplay star.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • If you do that, you can state something like. "Although not successful on the Hot 100, she had three consecutive Hot Dance Club Songs and (x top 10s). Outside of the U.S. her early career singles were most popular in Canada where she had 3 Canadian Hot 100 top 10 hits and her later career singles were most popular in Italy, where she had 5 Federation of the Italian Music Industry top 10 hits.", sourced of course.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:22, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Mentioned second on this article; have not edited the discography, but will try to get on it. Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:49, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Entrepreneurship

• Please briefly describe the books.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Philanthropy

• what she what she?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

? Please explain Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

search for the term in the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Y OH! Lol Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 22:10, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Images

• It is not clear why File:Gossip309 2.jpg is necessary given all the free images. As a fair use image, it is of lower quality than almost all the free images and does not add so much given how much we can see of her without it. The role is not presented as that important a part of this article.

Y Removed; it's unimportant.Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

• All but one of the remaining images need {{personality rights}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:00, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
• WP:CAPTIONs of File:Gossip309 2.jpg and File:Hilary Duff Fayetteville 2006.jpg both need work. See the wording section regarding punctuation.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:00, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

NFile:Hilary Duff @ Book Signing.jpg also and File:Hilary Duff Fayetteville 2006.jpg still not fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Stephenjamesx (talk) 22:07, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

General comments: The article is well-written and pretty thorough. My main problem with the article is that the critical responses are summarized without any excerpt. We need a lot of Writer Foo of Big Time Magazine or Newspaper X said "this, that and the other" about Miss Duff. In just about every place where you say reviews were positive or negative you need to expand that with examples. Other than that please address the concerns above.

Ordinarily, I would Fail the article outright due to the extensive expansion necessary. However, in the spirit of the ongoing Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN backlog elimination drives/June-July 2012, I will put this on hold for 7 days. Please respond to each concern on the subsequent line.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

• I have contacted the nominator about lack of recent progress.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
  • This article has made progress, but issues remain and there has been no progress in over a week.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)