Talk:Hill Top, Cumbria

Dates?

The article states (without a reference) that Potter bought Hill Top in July 1906. However the Visit Cumbria website at http://www.visitcumbria.com/amb/hill-top.htm states that she bought it in 1905 and used it for short-term visits until 1913, when she married William Heelis and moved permanently to Lakeland (to Castle Farm, another of her properties). If there are no objections (and no citations for the 1905 date) I intend to change this to 1906 and supply the visitcumbria site as a reference. Tonywalton ^Talk 00:57, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Rename to Hill Top, Near Sawrey?

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Not moved. bd2412 T 03:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Hill Top, Cumbria → Hill Top, Near Sawrey – A name other than "Hill Top" is needed for obvious disambiguation. In Potter's day, her address was commonly given as 'Near Sawrey'. Commons:Hill Top, Near Sawrey already uses this form. Cumbria is a recent anachronism. Even today the modern name remains unpopular for placenames, outside local government. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• comment farm addresses can be presented in local or county ways as per: Abbotsfield, Wiveliscombe and Folly Farm, Somerset, Schollar and books give more results for Near Sawrey while the general web favours Cumbria.

Weak support, for mainly cultural reasons. Arguably WP:AT requires Cumbria. Near Sawrey is not a well known place beyond its Potter references. Gregkaye ✍♪ 15:50, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose. Cumbria is not an anachronism, since the house still exists and is now in Cumbria. It would only be an anachronism if it no longer existed and had not done since before the creation of Cumbria. Given that the portion of the title after the comma is for disambiguation and most people are not going to know where Near Sawrey is, I think Cumbria is best kept. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

It's not anachronistic for the post office to deliver letters today to the physical location of "Hill Top, Cumbria". However the only notability the house has is in the context of Potter, where "Hill Top, Near Sawrey" is correct, common, and "Cumbria" is an anachronism. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:35, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

It would certainly be an anachronism in an article on Potter's life and times, but not in an article on the existing house, as this is. Since the house is very definitely in Cumbria. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:16, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hill Top (house)? There is also Blackwell (historic house). Dekimasuよ! 20:04, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. The only possible justification for the move as proposed would be if Near Sawrey were more recognisable than Cumbria as a disambiguator to readers in general. There's no evidence of that, and it seems most improbable seeing as currently there's not even a separate article on Near Sawrey. Most of the above discussion, including the nomination itself, misses the point completely. We use English as it is, we don't try to correct it. Andrewa (talk) 20:20, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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