Talk:Historical impacts of climate change

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I'm thinking of moving this to historical climate change so that there can be more discussions of effects etc. Andrewjlockley (talk) 09:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

• The word "historical" seems an odd choice since most of the evidence is archaeological. Also the impacts addressed are on humans, rather than more generally on the earth or the biosphere, so the title "Historical impacts of climate change" just seems wrong. "Archaeological evidence of climate change impacts on man" seems more accurate if a bit unwieldy. --Bejnar (talk) 17:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

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i never intended 'historical' to mean ape-men 4m years ago. Doesn't that need either a new title, or a splitsection?

I think we should keep all impacts-of-climate-change-on-human-history in one place until it's bulky enough to be split off; if the (much greater volume of) info on historical change is included, this section should become much less significant. The "historical" issue is a good point: perhaps "Climate and Human History"? (PS: hominin) Awickert (talk) 10:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Isn't that just going to end up being anthropocene. But pls don't take that as an ad hominim attack :-) Andrewjlockley (talk) 13:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Attack? Confused. Anthropocene is just industrial revolution onwards, more or less: it's the time in which humans are considered a major player in the environmental system. Humans were affected by and did affect the environment earlier, as the stuff you put in this article shows. Awickert (talk) 17:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Evolution split

Its too early to talk about splitting this article, the section is not large enough to merit such a split, nor is the article sufficiently fleshed out to cope. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 21:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Agree as per above. Removing the tag; I'm open to its later addition. For now, I think all human+climate should go here. Awickert (talk) 22:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Needs a new title then. Past impacts of climate change? Andrewjlockley (talk) 21:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Historical generally refers to written history, but often articles on it blend with archaeology. Past might be nice, but could include all time since the big bang. I think if we do plan to flesh it out, "historical" should work if the archaeological is kept short; otherwise perhaps something like "impacts of climate change on human stuff"? Awickert (talk) 09:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

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Merge from Historical climatology

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To merge Historical impacts of climate change into Historical climatology, on the grounds that the latter name is more widely used. Klbrain (talk) 07:02, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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The other article has just a single reference and basically a single editor who departed Wikipedia in 2012. The other article was written mostly in 2007 and has been tagged for more refrences since 2015. It doesn't really say antyhing that isn't covered here and our other articles. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't think I'm in favour of the merge. I think it would be good to just remove the crap in the article (everything except the lede maybe). A quick google scholar search does imply there is a field which is called historical climatology that incorporates more than the impacts of climate change. From this 2005 article (https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs10584-005-5924-1.pdf):

'(i) It (historical climatology, red) aims at reconstructing temporal and spatial patterns of weather and climate as well as climate-related natural disasters for the period prior to the creation of national meteorological networks (mainly for the last millennium). (ii) It investigates the vulnerability of past societies and economies to climate variations, climate extremes and natural disasters.(iii) It explores past discourses and the social representations of the climate'

More definitions of historical climatology are given in the article, but I feel that none would be fully covered by the 'historical impacts' article. For instance, you would not expect (i) to be covered by this article. More recent descriptions and developments of historical climatology can be found here (https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs10584-009-9783-z.pdf, https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/BAMS-D-12-00030.1).

I'm not a historian, so I'll come back when I understand better what kind of distinction I would like to see between the two articles. Femke Nijsse (talk) 21:28, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Fine, but what part of this article does not fall under (ii) in that definition? Maybe this material should go into that article. There isn't enough text for a WP:SIZESPLIT and as far as I can see if they were already together there would be no basis for content split NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 22:55, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

A merge the other way around would have my support I think. From doing a google search, there is no well-defined field or topic under the name 'historical impact of climate change'. The title might also be a bit confusing in the sense that the climate change in the article was usually regional and a lot of people equate global warming with climate changes in general.. Femke Nijsse (talk) 07:53, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Alright, merge the other way!NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:35, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

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  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 07:02, 26 April 2020 (UTC)