Talk:History of Crimea

Deportation in 1944

Hallo Togehter,

not the Greeks where deported in 1944, but the Germans!

Sincerly Yours

Eduard Lauer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.79.150.195 (talk • contribs)

August 2nd, 1992 referendum

The article currently contains the following statement:

The Crimean parliament proclaimed self-government on 5 May 1992. (which was yet to be approved by a referendum to be held 2 August 1992) and passed the first Crimean constitution the same day. On 6 May 1992 the same parliament inserted a new sentence into this constitution that declared that Crimea was part of Ukraine.

This phrasing is needlesly awkward and confusing. Was the amended proclamation subsequently approved on the August 2nd referendum, and, if so, why aren't the referendum and its results explicitly mentioned in the timeline? Was the referendum cancelled? If the referendum was cancelled, why isn't the cancellation explicitly mentioned in the timeline? The Crimea and Constitution of Crimea contain the same vague statements, citing the same sources. -- Gordon Ecker, WikiSloth (talk) 05:23, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Referendum 2 August didn`t take place. 13 May it was cancelled by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine as contrary the Constitution of Ukraine. After negotiations 21 May Verkhovna Rada of Crimea imposed a moratorium of this referendum until 10 June. 9 July Verkhovna Rada of Crimea imposed an indefinite moratorium. Source in Russian - http://www.uazakon.com/document/tpart13/isx13828.htm --Юровский Александр (talk) 15:29, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Merge Taurica into this article

Having Taurica as a separate article is now confusing, as the recent geopolitical kerfuffle over the status of modern-day Crimea has resulted in the establishment of Crimea as a general article -- and Taurica basically refers to the same thing, just earlier in its history. All of the information in Taurica can easily be shifted over to History of Crimea, if it is not represented there already, and some bits and pieces could just as easily be incorporated into Crimea. -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:40, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

==I think this article is poor about the Byzantine rule and should be improved according to the article on the Thema Cherson. Lele giannoni (talk) 13:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree, redirect Taurica to History of Crimea#Antiquity. Existing sub-articles on ancient history are Bosporan Kingdom, Roman Crimea. Byzantine history should go to Cherson (theme). Coverage on this page should remain brief under WP:SS. --dab (𒁳) 14:50, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

It's been handled. The remnant of Taurica is now Greeks in pre-Roman Crimea, though I probably wouldn't object to a move to Greeks in pre-Roman Taurica (together with a comporting move of Roman Crimea to Roman Taurica). My inclination for now is that we should avoid unnecessary confusion, even if the titles are anachronistic. -Kudzu1 (talk) 00:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

In the merging of the articles, content regarding the non-Greek inhabitants of Crimea during Antiquity (Tauri and Scythians) was lost. I have replaced the information. Otherwise, it gives the impression all of Crimea was under Greek control. However, this now makes the article a little unwieldy. Maybe the original Taurica article should be replaced and just renamed "Crimea in Antiquity." It makes sense to have an article covering the history of Crimea from the beginning of recorded history through the Romans.Nomadic Whitt (talk) 05:05, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I've shortened and condensed the Tauri and Scythian sections, recalling that they each have their own articles from which most of the material on Taurica was simply copy-and-pasted. It looks better to me, but what do you think? -Kudzu1 (talk) 15:58, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

General English

There is a good deal of grammatically non-standard (i.e., clumsy) English in this article. The language use needs to be reviewed and corrected by an English-speaking editor. Ncguru (talk) 12:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC) Paul Lillebo 26 August 2014

Intro

The following sentence "In 2014, Russia began a stealth invasion of the peninsula, installing a puppet government, which promptly called an illegal referendum, declared independence and was illegally annexed by the Russian Federation." looks more like somebody's personal opinion rather then a part of encyclopedic article. No sources provided. 91.226.168.2 (talk) 06:00, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Kievan Rus

An IP removed statements to the effect that the Crimea was part of Kievan Rus'. Maps seem to indicate that at least part of it was. I have reverted for the moment, comments by those with more knowledge welcomed. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:21, 13 February 2015 (UTC).

To use Rissian Empire, Crimea in Russian Civil War, USSR, Ukraine, Russia in the history section

Current situation is:

• Roman Empire
• Rus' and Byzantium
• Crimean Khanate (1441–1783)
• Russian Empire (1783–1917)
• Russian Civil War (1917-1921)
• Soviet Union (1921–1991)
• Autonomous Republic within Ukraine (1991–2014)
• Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation

Being proposed:

• Roman Empire
• Rus' and Byzantium
• Crimean Khanate (1441–1783)
• Russian Empire (1783–1917)
• Crimea in Russian Civil War (1917-1921)
• Soviet Union (1921–1991)
• Ukraine (1991–2014)
• Russia (2014-Present)

Why?

1. In the beginning we use a state that controls but then we use a name of subject within a country, and then some event. For example, we don't use 'Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Empire' instead of 'Russian Empire ()'.

2. It was not only Autonomous Republic within Ukraine but Sevastopol too. Previously it was done for Crimea and now it looks better.

If no one minds I am going to use the structure here and in History of Crimea. LeoKiev01 (talk) 07:44, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Red Terror

Shoould be linked.Xx236 (talk) 06:18, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Tatar population in different ages?

Can anyone point out some credible English language sources which has estimations of Crimean tatar population in different ages? --Ukas (talk) 06:06, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

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an exaggeration

After 1783, The Ottoman Empire's frontiers would gradually shrink for another two centuries — hmm. The shrinkage became less gradual well before 1983, just sayin’. —Tamfang (talk) 00:35, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Catherine the Great added Crimea to Russia's territory, and now Crimea is part of Russia's territory — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.75.70 (talk) 04:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Russian annexation and aftermath (2014–present)

It is not specified that the illegal annexation and occupation occurred BEFORE the vote in crimea. It was not "little green men" but "unidentified" soldiers who resorted to not only kidnappings but also killings and ceased government control. It was later identified that these soldiers were Russian. This is a critical point! Without this, the events of 2014 would not be considered an annexation. Please change the information mentioned!

Tatars

How can it be true both that "Crimea was traded to Russia as part of the treaty provisions, and annexed in 1783" and also that "the ... Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca forced the Sublime Porte to recognize the Tatars of the Crimea as politically independent"? Deipnosophista (talk) 11:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I've removed some confusing text to make it clear that the annexation was later. JASpencer (talk) 19:37, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

The Republic of Crimea

... the majority ethnic Russian Crimean peninsula was reorganized as the Republic of Crimea,[55][56] after a 1991 referendum with the Crimean authorities pushing for more independence from Ukraine and closer links with Russia. In 1995, the Republic was forcibly abolished by Ukraine with the Autonomous Republic of Crimea established firmly under Ukrainian authority - somebody please provide quotes from sources confirming this? I've had a quick look at Russians in the Former Soviet Republics - Pål Kolstø, Andrei Edemsky - Google Books and couldn't find anything like. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 19:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Same for The Strategic Use of Referendums - Google Books . Nothing of the like on p. 107 . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 19:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)