Talk:History of Liechtenstein

Liechtenstein's sovereignty

Liechtenstein did not become sovereign in 1806. The Holy Roman Empire dissolved in 1806, but most its constituent territories were already sovereign. Modern conception of sovereignty wrongly distorts past reality.

One must understand the difference between the Emperor's suzeranity ('suzeranitaet') and the the prince's sovereignty ('landeshoheit' or 'landesherrlicheit') (which was never questioned after the Liechtenstein dynasty first purchased the area).

This mistake exposes a fundamental lack of understanding of the political mechanisms of the Holy Roman Empire. The HRE was not an all powerful high-holy despot, but was more of a chairman-of-the-board, whos position allowed the German states to interact with each other in a set manner that none could misunderstand.

The Liechtenstein army story

It says in the article:

In 1868, after the Confederation dissolved, Liechtenstein disbanded its army of 80 men and declared its permanent neutrality, which was respected during both World Wars.

The Liechtenstein army had a successful time in World War I, the 80 men were sent to guard a little used Italian mountain pass and saw almost no action. On their march home, they befriended an Austrian who they took back to Vaduz with them, arriving in Liechtenstein a stronger force than when they had left.

which seems to contradict the earlier passage.

According to an item on this web page, the "Italian mountain pass" story did happen, but it took place in 1866, during the Austro-Prussian War (and it says 80 men left and 81 returned). The web page cites a Liechtensteiner source and names the pass, so I'm guessing that it's correct, but out of caution I'm just leaving the story out of the article. Someone can put it back when they've confirmed the facts.

66.96.28.244 06:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

"During the Austro-Prussian War of 1866, Prince Johann II placed his soldiers at the disposal of the Confederation but only to “defend the German territory of Tyrol”. The Prince refused to have his men fight against other Germans. The Liechtenstein contingent took up position on the Stilfse Joch in the south of Liechtenstein to defend the Liechtenstein/Austrian border against attacks by the Italians under Garibaldi. A reserve of 20 men remained in Liechtenstein. When the war ended on July 22, the army of Liechtenstein marched home to a ceremonial welcome in Vaduz. Popular legend claims that 80 men went to war but 81 came back. Apparently an Austrian liaison officer joined up with the contingent on the way back."

Two thoughts

• This article is woefully unsourced; I intend to work on this, though at present the only text source I have access to is Raton. As soon as I can get my hands on a copy of Beattie, I came from imgur (as did I), I will use that, as well. Any other sources would be appreciated; I'm looking at this in particular as a possible source.
• There are at least two links in here to things at Liechtenstein.li, both of which are broken. One is the history document in external links (which I suspect has been subsumed at least in part by the page I just linked) and the other is the press release about the naming of two honorary consuls. I left the link there for now, but it really can't stay. A cursory glance around the internet didn't turn up any other sources, though; if someone could check for those, that would be good. Maybe on the Liechtenstein Embassy to the United States's page?

I look forward to expanding and improving the article! Sectori (talk) 16:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Liechtenstein portal

I wouldn't use the Liechtenstein portal as a historical source about their lore, I'd say it's biased in favor of tourism. Helveg (talk) 14:47, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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World War II

How did Liechtenstein avoid invasion during WWII? I read in Switzerland during WWII the reasons for and against an invasion of Switzerland, but Liechtenstein surely could not pose big trouble to the German Army. --Error (talk) 19:53, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Nazi collaboration

The World War II section is quite biased and ignores some important facts. See: https://www.dw.com/en/nazi-camp-labor-used-in-liechtenstein/a-1552304