Talk:History of Madagascar

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On 16 March, the army seized the presidential palace in the centre of Antananarivo. Ravalomanana was not in the palace at the time.[90] He finally handed his resignation to the army, which then decided to hand over power to his fierce political rival, Andry Rajoelina. This stand along line does not specify a year Scottprovost (talk) 03:31, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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Over 165 million years ago, a terrible earthquake hit Africa, causing Madagascar to become an island.

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In section "Independence" there is stated:

A period of provisional government ended with the adoption of a constitution in 1959 and full independence on June 26, 1960. During 1992-1993, free presidential and National Assembly elections were held, ending 17 years of single-party rule.

Just asking: is there something missing? What about the 17 years of single-party rule? What was the name of the party? Who was the leader? How they became to power? Was this period influented by communism or Soviet regime? ---lulu- 10:17, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

the original Malagasy

If, as the article states, the first people who came to Madagascar where from South East Asia, why does it then say that Malagasy features are a mixture of Austronesian and African? does this not imply an African substrate that inhabited the island before the coming of Austronesian? Who exactly was there first?

There's debate, but it was widely theorized Africans came afterward and intermixed. East Africa was full of trading Swahili states so some of them may have came. Also some Malagasy natives engaged in slave trading. As is though this article on history is meager at best. There's nothing on the paralyzed king who was carried by his bodyguards or the great, and sometimes terrible, Queens of Madagascar. I made a reference to one on starting a droughts category and was going to look them up to refresh my memory, only to find they aren't here. The coverage of Africa at Wiki could really stand to be better. Although in fairness Marina royalty have impossibly long names. One significant one was named Andrianampoinimerina and he was by no means the longest name among them.

Alas though it's been years since I wrote that book review on Madagascar's history and I no longer have it on file. Maybe they already have stuff on Ranavalona I and I just missed it.--T. Anthony 11:39, 24 September 2005 (UTC) Yup they do.--T. Anthony 11:54, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Well come on, what is the quote telling us ? that Diamond doesnt believe the facts ?

Diamond does believe the facts, so this quote is accidentally misleading. Its like an optical illusion, if you read it knowing that Diamond accepts the facts, they are the questions that you were thinking before you accepted the facts are consistent with known ability of Austronesian seafarers.

But consider someone who does not have the greater knowledge - they are then thinking that Jared Diamond is saying that its a hoax, or a European conspiracy - eg Marco Polo drag theses Asians back to Europe, or they migrated on the silk route, and then they got expelled and dumped at Madagascar. The Persians could have grabbed some mongols and expelled them into the Sudan.. something like that.

So I don't get what the quote adds. The events do no rest on what Diamond thinks.. as Diamond types this quote this long after the fact.Its not a famous speech, it does not describe a particularly insightful fact. It just says that diamond has 'thoughts' as to the concept. The rhetoric question at the end is particularly unusual, as it invites the reader to judge for themselves, as if Diamond had not made up his mind.

The facts are that the same people went to New Zealand, Hawaii and Easter Island, and the genetic links back to Taiwan are beyond contradiction.

Democratic Republic

On Madagascar's coins, the name "Repoblika Demokratika Malagasy" appears between 1978 and 1992 but this name isn't mentioned in the article. When was it officially used?
Dove1950 (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

"Repoblika Demokratika Malagasy" was the official name of the country during the second republic, roughly 1975 to 1991 in the first republic it was "Repoblika Malagasy" (Malagasy Republic) in the third republic it is "Repoblikan'i Madagasikara" (Republic of Madagascar) Fanoman (talk) 01:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Temple of Doom

In Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, set in 1935, there is a reference to the "Sultan of Madagascar". Was there any such figure in Madagascar in the 1920s or 30s? -OberRanks (talk) 23:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it is safe to assume that there was never anyone who held that title. In the 20s Madagascar was a French colony under a governor general. The title King of Madagascar was held by Radama I and his successors until the French took over in 1896. The title "Mpanjaka" in Malagasy which is used as the translation of King is often translated into Chief or Lord though and can be translated into Sultan if you want! Fanoman (talk) 21:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Between The Austronesian immigration and the Merina expantion

I like how this History of Madagascar is looking now but I feel there is a lot of Malagasy history lacking for the period between the middle ages and the 19th century. It was more than just pirate stories it was the history of the peoples of western Madagascar (and it is well documented by the way) and their rise to power fueled by trade with eastern Africa and the middle east. Either we also detail the Sakalava era from the 1600 to the 1800 (only given one sentence at the moment) or we move the detailed Merina monarchy section to the Merina article. Fanoman (talk) 17:11, February 1, 2009 (UTC)

No Mention of South Africa

Should there be made mention under the 'French Control' section that the South Africans help equip the British troops and that some South Africans went with them when they secured Madagascar so that the Japanese wouldn't take hold of it? Invmog (talk) 20:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The name of the rose

What was (is) the native name of the island? TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 06:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Removing bias from section on Ranavalona I

This queen was viewed in a harsh light by historic sources until the 1970s, but a push for greater objectivity and distancing away from some of the (obviously biased) contemporary accounts by missionaries, Malagasy Christians and some Europeans has helped recast her actions in a different light. I edited the main Ravanalona I article to this end and now have modified this one to match, which means excision of much of the original content. Much of it was unsourced. If previous editors have valid (reasonably objective) sources for any of the material that was removed, let's reincorporate it with citations. But missionary accounts and the Laidler book were intended to be sensationalistic and are of limited value as objective, factual accounts of anything.

Early map

Here is a 1638 map drawing of Madagascar from Some yeares travels into divers parts of Afrique and Asia by Thomas Herbert. Could possibly be included somewhere in the article. Jakeybean (talk) 19:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Maurice Benyovszky

Maurice Benyovszky seems to be crucial in uniting Malagasy tribes, yet there seems no mention on him in this article. 217.144.30.156 (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually he was not at all an important figure in the history of Madagascar, but he claimed he was. -- Lemurbaby (talk) 20:44, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Arabs and Persians from the 7th century?

The article's assertion that Arabs and Persians arrived on Madagascar in the 7th century doesn't seem to be backed up. The citation given actually states that Arab settlements on the island date from the 9th century (under Historical Setting > Precolonial Era), and I haven't seen any reliable source that gives an earlier date. If the claim about Arabs arriving in the 7th century is true, it should be properly cited. Ithuvanian (talk) 07:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Andriana in post-republic Madagascar

This section sticks out like a sore thumb. The grammar is very poor and it does not flow with the rest of the article. It needs to be revised. I would revise it but I don't want to offend certain sensibilities. Fanoman (talk) 23:55, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

It was removed thanks Lemurbaby! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanoman (talk • contribs) 01:55, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Bantu Arrival on their own merit

Bantu-speaking East African migrants, it seems to link the arrival of the Bantu people with the Arab slave trade. However, the DNA points to an older relationship which could not have come about by the later Arab slave trade. How did the Bantu people get to the island seems to be missing. --Inayity (talk) 17:42, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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Misspelling?

@Kaluvau: Is "Vand ezo" correct? It looks like a typo or misspelling. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:37, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I just realised that "and Vezo" makes sense, so I was bold, went ahead and changed it. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:44, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Flores connection

It's not clear where this speculation comes from. It appears to be original research. Kortoso (talk) 16:44, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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Recommendation: condense introduction and add timeline

The intro is very long, which may fit the nature of this topic. However I found myself getting lost halfway through. I would advise that a Timeline section (a table as opposed to the one on the sidebar) be added and that the intro be condensed into only the bare essentials (just 1-3 paragraphs): e.g. Malay colonization, Middle Ages, French colonization, modern day, etc. And then a lot of details can be migrated to the timeline. I would greatly appreciate anyone who acts on these recommendations. Thank you. Alexkyoung (talk) 23:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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First people to Madagascar arrived with outrigger canoes???

This should be corrected. The reference to the claim ("canoes") is from an article in a genetics journal, and not plausible. There are a number of finds of large ships, easily capable of the kind of ocean crossing that is needed to reach Madagascar from Borneo. The same ships were used in trade over the Indian ocean at the time when first people arrived in Madagascar, and centuries before. These boats are something completely different from "outrigger canoes". See Djong (ship)#history. According to the article on Djong, large ships coming from somewhere further east from India were already known to ancient Romans in AD 100.

History

Madagascar 2600:100D:B02C:4ADF:38A3:9670:7C41:EC6E (talk) 19:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Well yes! Zanahary (talk) 00:48, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

How can the following be true?

1. "...the island has received waves of settlers of diverse origins including ... Arab, South Asian..."
2. "...there has been no genetic input from Arabs or Indians..."

2601:644:9083:5730:2859:7311:5F2F:F3E9 (talk) 17:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)