Talk:History of Mali

Copied (from public domain sources) without carrying over citations

The text was clearly copied from another site, but sadly the citations in the original did not travel along. There are loads of inline non-wiki citation markers like [12], [13] that need cleanup. I'd welcome help in this effort.

--Mmcdougall (talk) 17:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Copy vio?

I notice this text is also found at: http://www.ncbuy.com/reference/country/backgrounds.html?code=ml&sec=backhistory

Is this a mirror site, or was our text taken from it in copyright violation?

--Dvyost 3 July 2005 17:38 (UTC)

That ncbuy site says its info is from the CIA world factbook...but also says copyright: Copyright © 2005 NetCent Communications, All rights reserved. Terms under which this service is provided. Data Source: Central Intelligence Agency 2004 World Factbook The CIA factbook does not have that particular language that is in this article[1]. Seems a possible copyright violation.

-Justforasecond 06:37, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

The text almost certainly originated with the US State Department Background Note; it's a widely copied text, and legally, so it's not surprising that you'd find it all over the place. I'm going to remove the copyvio notice; this is PD text. Which isn't to say it shouldn't be rewritten to not be based just on the US State Department's text... CDC (talk) 23:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Additions

I made several additions of text from http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/profiles/Mali.pdf as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Library of Congress Country Studies.--Bkwillwm 20:56, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Merging of Mandin article

Don't notice any discussion on this topic yet so I'll venture some (ambivalent) comments.

On the one hand it makes a lot of sense to consolidate the Mandin article into the History of Mali article. On the other hand, a case could be made to divide the Mali article into separate ones. The sum total would be a remix. (There is also an article on Mandé which treats some of the same topics, and there are certainly others.) And how should these relate to the main articles on the empirtes? A12n 20:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Revisions, additions, reheadings, corrections

This is not how I planed to spend my afternoon, but hopefully various additions and revisions to this page and some related sections will help. I got into this after seeing some problems with various Manding language topics. That led to various things including this page.

On H-Africa we've had some discussions re accuracy of the material. Concerns are well-placed. Hopefully my excursion today will help a little.

The big change for this page was in the headings and the addition of short items on the period between Songhai and the French (a lot happened, and there are happily linkable articles for those things, but... many of those need work too).A12n 22:30, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Gaps in article

Just seeing this now after a long while and noting that someone deleted the subsection on the Mali empire and the contents of the subsection on the Songhai Empire. The original subsections may have had problems, but there needs to be something on these major periods. Also needed is treatment of the ancient period (before "Early history"), beginning with current thinking about the area during the period of drying of the Sahara and including mention of the urbanization at Jenne-Jeno which arose in the 3rd century BC. --198.24.31.70 (talk) 22:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

What does "also technologically advanced" mean in this passage on the transition between the Mali and Songhai empires?

"The Mali Empire began to weaken by the mid 14th century. The Songhai took advantage of this and asserted their independence. The Songhai made Gao their capital and began an imperial expansion of their own throughout the western Sahel. And by 1420, Songhai was strong enough to exact tribute from Masina. The emerging Songhai Empire and the declining Mali Empire co-existed during much of the later 14th and throughout the 15th century. In the later 15th century, control of Timbuktu shifted to the Songhai Empire. They were also technologically advanced."

Is the intent to suggest that the Songhai were technologically advanced in a similar way to the former Malian society, suggesting this is an important aspect of comparability between them, or more so than the Malians, suggesting that this was part of the reason for the eminence of the Songhai in the later period, or that either or both had a distinct technological advantage over their neighbours and that this is why first one and then the other became the imperial power?

Or is it intended to be a general proposition? I can find nothing to suggest either was especially technologically advanced in any larger or abstract sense for the centuries in which they operated. Rather successful iron age societies that developed the intellectual, cultural and social capital and organizational and military skills to marshall area resources under an imperial regime. Random noter (talk) 23:08, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

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