Talk:History of New York (state)

Provincial mergers

Why? Why should the pre 1776 sections go to the larger New York State article instead of this smaller one? Jim.henderson (talk) 23:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• I have started the discussion on the New York discussion page. Since we already have two main articles New Netherland and the Province of New York, we do not need summaries of these two articles in two places. I don't think size is an issue since the size of the summary should never need to get much larger than its current size. BradMajors (talk) 23:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Loyalists

The topic of loyalists is now covered twice in the article - just a few paragraphs apart from each other. NEITHER has any citations. Reading the article you'd think there was little history to the state except the history of loyalists & Indians during the revolution --JimWae (talk) 04:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

• These are two different time periods and two different organizations. The first relates to the actions of the Committee for Detecting and Defeating Conspiracies during the war. The other section relates to the rerise of the Sons of Liberty and the passing and repealing of anti-loyalist laws by the new New York State after the war.
• Are there any other issues as far as balance? It would seem we could replace the {unbalanced} tag with the {Expand-section} and {citations missing} tags.

The topic needs to be dealt with once - the history does not have to stay completely chronological - and sources are needed. The AR section & the following one could be combined - they aren't even properly chronological now. The article presently overlooks major events in NY from 1750-1793. It was only a few days ago I added the battles paragraph. This article is NOT a major interest for me - but the concentrations I see, present an unbalanced summary of the period. Where is any mention of NYC being the capital? of it being held by the British during ARW? --JimWae (talk) 05:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Unbalanced issues

• Section needs to be expanded?

  Agreed.

• Lack of citations.

  Agreed.

BradMajors (talk) 05:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Three articles

Three separate major articles all dealing hi the history of the same place? Virginia to History of Virginia might be a good place to see how another state article deals with this issue.Awotter (talk) 01:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm not the one who split off the New York colonial articles but I think it's a good idea. On the whole the large History of Virginia article is superior to this one and its two colonial children, but I don't think the colonial separation is part of the problem, and Virginia's, respectfully, would be even better with its colonial section split off and only a brief summary left behind. Of course, knowing little of Virginia, I won't escalate this suggestion into a recommendation, but as for New York I think we'll more stick to improving the organization and contents of the various articles than try consolidating them. And thank you for your suggestion; it's always pleasant to get another point of view. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

New york history

well when I was seaching up New York history. When I realized that one thing about was the Dutch sold things to the indiansywas worth 24 dollars. The Dutch named the land Newnetherlandz Mekhi Thompkins —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.143.22 (talk) 00:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

General comments: this article seems a bit disjointed and certainly episodic; there's no narrative flow in the social, political, and economic histories, particularly in the varied (and overlapping) phases of Iroquoian, Dutch, and English influences and how they shaped the patterns of land ownership, use, and migration within the state. I started thinking about editing particular sections but after contemplating where to start I think it rather needs a complete facelift by a sole author to set the narrative tone (and I'm not the expert required to do this properly). FWIW. MariaMitchell (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Two sections have subsections

Two sections have empty subsections. When you click to edit them, they have nothing but the titles. I need help on what I can put in these sections. Globalearth 02 April 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Globalearth (talk • contribs) 21:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Copyedits

Just finished a major copyedit based on a request to the Guild of copy editors. A couple of points:

• The topics seem somewhat random. E.g., Koch is mentioned but not LaGuardia.
• I clarified the organization but grouping the subsections into larger sections seems like a good idea.
• I'd like to see a more complete explanation of the "increased bigotry" point. I don't have the reference material, but the point does not clarify whether it's talking about public opinion, hate crimes, etc. If it's (generally volatile) opinion, I'd suggest this isn't the place for it.

Lfstevens (talk) 02:38, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

New York discovered and claimed

Is it legally possible to discover in 1524 (French), and claim in 1609 (Dutch) rights for a part of a land, in this case New York as a part of the American continent, America being discovered as a whole in 1492 by another nation? -The issue may have deep consequences in the legal background for some historical facts, even when president Bush II said that he had no idea about what international law can be, and promised to ask his lawyer about this. In questions about legal rights, you just can't go Dutch.--Jgrosay (talk) 14:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Timeline of New York

Any interest in creating a Timeline of New York article? A few other US states have timelines (see Category:Timelines of states of the United States). Here are some sources:

• "State History Timeline". New York Senate.
• Federal Writers' Project (1940). "Chronology". New York: a Guide to the Empire State. American Guide Series. New York: Oxford University Press – via Hathi Trust. {{cite book}}: External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help)
• Benjamin Vincent (1910), "New York", Haydn's Dictionary of Dates (25th ed.), London: Ward, Lock & Co. – via Open Library {{citation}}: External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help)

-- M2545 (talk) 16:36, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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Need support re Robert Harpur's place names

If you know New York State history you may have heard of Robert Harpur, who is responsible for most of the classical place names in central New York State: Cicero, Homer, Ovid, Virgil, Brutus, Manlius, and many others.

I created Category:Classical place names in New York (state). I thought that someone looking at say, Cicero, New York, might learn something useful from the category listing at the bottom, and it would be useful to have them all in one place.

Now, howevet, this category has been proposed for deletion. I would appreciate support from anyone who thinks it is useful. The discussion is here: [[1]]. Thanks for any help. deisenbe (talk) 14:39, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe What was the outcome of your defense of the category deletions? Also, there's no mention in the article of Robert Harpur, whom you discuss here, as being responsible for the naming of a number of place names in New York State. Shouldn't you add him and his contributions to the article? I assume that you have references to add support to your contention. Did you ever include this information in the article? Stevenmitchell (talk) 15:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

It was deleted. All that stuff was in the article on Harpur, someone took it out. deisenbe (talk) 17:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)