Talk:History of the Jews in Bosnia and Herzegovina

Carl Savich references

"The Holocaust in Bosnia-Hercegovina, 1941-1945", Carl K. Savich" is serb-extremist source and not a valid reference. I suggest parts with this reference will be removed. /Erik Nilsson 120107

Carl Kosta Savich is definitely a Serbian nationalist, but I don't know enough about him or the politics in order to agree/disagree as to whether he is a "serb-extremist". His work in genocide studies is highly regarded though. So even though he may (or may not) be a "serb-extremist", his work may still be valid.

Perhaps the reference to his work can be retained, but included with a note that Carl Savich is Serbian (as in, "according to Serbian-American historian Carl K Savich..."), and a link to his Wikipedia article.

Let me know what you think.... Cheers =) AWN AWN2 01:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Aleksandar Hemon Jewish?

Being a Bosnian Jew myself, AFAIK Hemon (who's nonetheless Bosnia's greatest living writer) is definitely not Jewish, but rather Ruthenian (or Ukrainian), and should be dropped from the list of 'Bosnian Jews'. :) FreshBreeze 07:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I've seen him speak three times in Chicago (twice at book promotions and once at the 'Bosnian-herzegovinian film festival of Chicago'). He has identified himself as Jewish. Could you please elaborate on this... Thanks, Vseferović 17:03, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I also have never come across a reference that he is Jewish, and would support removing his name from the list. -- Benjamin 20070817

I think Aleksandar Hemon is a Ruthenian Catholic. Sorry for using Bosnian, but I have to: U arhivu Jevrejske zajednice u Sarajevu ne nađoh ni jednog Hemona, a i Moric Albahari mi kaže da za njih nikad nije čuo da su Jevreji. In fact, where he describes his family gatherings (Nowhere Man, I suppose), most of the traditions presented are indeed Ukranian Catholic traditions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FreshBreeze (talk • contribs) 09:25, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

Hagada

As far as I know the document was hidden in (under) a mosque, since the persecution of Muslims was not a main goal of the NDH. The article itself Sarajevo Haggadah points to this... Vseferović 17:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Who actually saved Hagada? - http://www.iis.unsa.ba/posebna/sefarad/sef_23.htm... and http://www.iis.unsa.ba/posebna/sefarad/sef_22.htm so, it is not Korkut, but dr Jozo Petrovic AND Derviš Korkut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.255.174 (talk) 10:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

First Jews in area?

I suspect it's misleading to say the exiles from the Iberian inquisitions were the first Jews in the area. Perhaps there were no earlier communities that had lasted into the 1490s, but is would be odd if there had been no Jews there during Roman times. Dvd Avins (talk) 01:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Move. The articles will be re-merged. Cúchullain ^t/c 16:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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History of the Jews in Bosnia and Herzegovina → Jews in Bosnia and Herzegovina – The page is not just about history but about the ethnic group as a whole (and linked as such in most cases) Dans (talk) 15:22, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose this is the standard format for articles in this series. History of the Jews in Armenia etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Yet there are also a more general articles such as American Jews, British Jews, Jews in Wales, Jews in Montreal, Jews in New York City, Yemenite Jews, Persian Jews... Surtsicna (talk) 22:48, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
  • If needs be, a separate, more detailed article with this same name can be created, devoted to history only. As an alternative, a separate article on Bosnian Jews can be forked with all non-historical contents.--Dans (talk) 23:23, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support. The Jews of Bosnia and Herzegovina are not history. They still exist. The article title should probably be modeled after Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbs of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Poles in Bosnia and Herzegovina, etc. Surtsicna (talk) 22:48, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

The difference with Croats and the "History of the Jews.." article series is that in these countries Jews largely do not "exist" because they were mass murdered, going from a significant part of the population to a few surviving individuals, hence the reason why the "History of the Jews..." articles have more on history than current day descendants of survivors. Comparison with Jews in Wales article is missing the point, Wales was not under German occupation. Blame European Christian civilization for that, but doesn't change that this is primarily a history article. What is so surprising about that? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I see your point, but the percentage of Jews in Wales is not significantly larger than the percentage of Jews in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Besides, the remaining few hundred Jews in Bosnia and Herzegovina are remarkably visible. Jewish religious leaders are much more prominent than leaders of other minority religions, despite being fewer in number than Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. (e.g. every papal visit so far has included meetings with 4 religious leaders: Muslim, Orthodox, Catholic and Jewish). They have also been very prominent since Jakob Finci successfully sued the state over blatant constitutional discrimination against Jews. In many ways, Jews today stand for ethnic minorities in Bosnia and Herzegovina in general.
The title Jews in Bosnia and Herzegovina would naturally encompass the history of the Jews in Bosnia and Herzegovina, while the title History of the Jews in Bosnia and Herzegovina excludes everything but the history. You keep bringing up an article series, but we do not have a general article about Bosnian Jews. Surtsicna (talk) 14:42, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Given the discussion above, I think I will start a separate article on Bosnian Jews by forking the relevant content. Indeed as mentioned by Surtsicna Jews in Bosnia are one of the most prominent national minorities and cannot be seen from a historical perspective only. They are alive and kicking. --Dans (talk) 15:18, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

That's a reasonable solution too, although the content of those two articles would easily fit into a single Jews in Bosnia and Herzegovina/Bosnian Jews article. Surtsicna (talk) 15:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Done --Dans (talk) 16:19, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Is the move request moot now? Surtsicna (talk) 16:30, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I suppose. I took that down from the page too. --Dans (talk) 17:35, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

• Support. History can be one subsection. Culture another, and so on. This is an approach more consistent to other articles. Bilseric (talk) 20:12, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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