Talk:Hong Kong–Mainland China conflict

Mong Kok Riota

Shouldn't there be more info on the Yellow Umbrella riots, Mong Kok and also the abduction of booksellers/attacks on free speach in HK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 (talk) 01:22, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 18 January 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved to Hong Kong–Mainland China conflict (non-admin closure). feminist (talk) 03:08, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hong Kong–Mainland conflict → Hong Kong–China conflict – As per WP:UCRN which states that ambiguous names should not be used, it would make more sense to call this page Hong Kong-China conflict as it clarifies whom the conflict is between. Those who aren't aware of "mainland" being used as a way to describe PRC wouldn't understand. Plus "mainland" does appear to be a WP:NPV term so it should be changed to the more neutral "China". The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:24, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

• Move As nominator. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:25, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose – Hong Kong is part of China (the cultural and historical region/entity), and no one disputes that. The dispute is specifically between Hong Kong and the mainland, i.e. between the area formerly under British rule until 1997 and the area that has been under PRC rule since 1949. The proposed move, therefore, makes no sense. "Mainland" in this context is not ambiguous. In fact, "China" is much more ambiguous, as it slyly posits that Hong Kong is not part of the historical and cultural entity that is China, which is clearly not a neutral position. RGloucester — ☎ 14:33, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Technically its not a full part of China subject to all laws and jurisdiction, it's an SAR. That's like saying the Isle of Man is part of the United Kingdom. If it needs to be made clearer it could be changed to something like "Hong Kong SAR-China PR conflict". Futhermore, using mainland does seem to incorrectly imply that Hong Kong is an island. Hong Kong Island is but last time I checked, the New Territories (which is a part of Hong Kong) shared a land border with China PR. Therefore it is on the "mainland". The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:32, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

China is a historical/cultural entity, not a state. The state is the PRC. Hong Kong is part of China regardless of what one thinks about the PRC. It was part of China even when under British rule. RGloucester — ☎ 08:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

If "China" is NOT means a state,plz edit the "China" wikipedia page first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China. Don't play word game, you just intended to mislead and confuse. --207.98.72.251 (talk) 00:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose, although I'd support a move to Hong Kong–Mainland China conflict. Hong Kong is a part of China, albeit a "special" part as noted by C of E. "Mainland" does not imply Hong Kong is an island, it's just a customary way of referring to the main part of China directly under Communist rule. -Zanhe (talk) 18:17, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
• Move to Hong Kong–Mainland China conflict per Zanhe. No need to explain further why. --George Ho (talk) 04:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I added more information about the background, the root of the incidences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hguo1 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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CEPA

The section on CEPA omits the fact that Hong Kong business lobbied for the agreement in conjunction with China's ascention to the WTO. The reason what their fear that Hong Kong might lose out if China agreed to some ascention-related side deals (e.g., with the US). More, this section has no sources. I recommend it be deleted. DOR (HK) (talk) 16:20, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Done.

I also note the rather strong bias in this article, which I am attempting to correct. DOR (HK) (talk) 15:54, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Tense in English

DOR (HK) faults (by entry to my talk page) my edit to the opening sentence correcting the obvious error in tense, on the basis that the edit was "without useful explanation". The edit summary read: revert edit which flatly contradicts intent as stated in edit summary (and edit contradicts facts as set out in body. The original text read: "relations have been tense in the 2000s", the corrected text read "relations have been tense since the 2000s". Is DOR (HK) suggesting that it is correct to suggest that we are locked in a 2009 time-warp? sirlanz 00:32, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

• Should read either as sirlanz has put, or "relations were tense in the 2000s", previous phrasing makes no sense. Kdm852 (talk) 00:37, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose to merge Hong Kong–Mainland China conflict into Hong Kong-Mainland China relations. I think that the content in the Hong Kong–Mainland China conflict article can easily be explained in the context of Hong Kong-Mainland China relations, and the Hong Kong-Mainland China relations article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Hong Kong–Mainland China conflict will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. Stinglehammer (talk) 23:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose; the current structure seems to work; I've added a see also template so that interested articles can read more at the boarder topic. Merging to the Hong-Kong-focussed page would also create problems for Macau-related content. Klbrain (talk) 13:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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Conflict

"Conflict"? There is no confiict. There's no war. It should be renamed to/merged with Hong Kong–Mainland China relations. Conflict is reserved for actual wars like the Basque Conflict or the Colombian Conflict.188.141.3.145 (talk) 10:10, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Reminder of MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE

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Essay-like

This article is written like an argumentative essay and the section headings read like points of an essay. I suspect a lot of this is original resarch and arguments based on a synthesis of news articles. Many section headings are examples, prominent and minor alike, of incidents which the author felt represented the conflict between Hongkongers and mainland Chinese. Some examples of questionable wording and claims without sourcing:

• "Besides, since northern places like Sheung Shui became the transaction centres of the traders, this resulted in discontent from nearby residents."
• "The recent conflicts (anchor babies, D&G crisis, and parallel trading) further contributed to the rise of local awareness in self-identity."
• "The Pro-Beijing camp argue that these new immigrants are to help combat an ageing population as well as bringing new talent into the city."

None of the citations given near these sentences verify the claim, just facts that might support the argument. Yue🌙 05:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, your concern is noted. However, changing the POV and checking the bias of the whole article will be a huge undertaking. I've read all the references in the first section of the article and found multiple instances of biased synthesis using selective reporting. References used in the article are largely reliable and neutral in tone, but past editors likely chose to ignore NPOV and took the anthropological Position of a Hong Kong independence advocate. Unsourced sentences will be removed.-Loned (talk) 00:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)