Talk:Honoratus of Amiens

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Latest comment: 6 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

This article makes no effort to provide a critical or neutral point of view. How, for instance, can one take seriously the statement that "He was said to be virtuous from birth." That is the fodder of saints' lives, not biography or history. He is not recorded as having attended any church council or royal event.

Consult, e.g., Louis Duchesne, Fastes episcopaux de l'ancienne Gaule Tome III (Paris 1915), p. 125.

For context, Jamie Kreiner, The Social Life of Hagiography in the Merovingian Kingdom (Cambridge UP 2014). Michael Edward Moore, A Sacred Kingdom: Bishops and the Rise of Frankish Kingship, 300-850 (Catholic Univ. Press, 2011).

"He was said" means that is just what people say about him, not what he was, so very obviously no POV here.RotarenegEmem (talk) 11:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

The remark about "He was said" was only an example of uncritical and POV remarks. How can one be virtuous from birth? Virtue is practiced by a reasoning person, which babies are NOT, at birth. Your reason is not sufficient to revert the template on Uncritical. Again, for context, consult the alternative viewpoints about hagiography I cited.

I would also point out that the "He was said" remark is unattributed and unreferenced. In fact, the entire article is unreferenced.

--Vicedomino (talk) 18:20, 20 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

The article is not saying that he was virtuous from birth, only that he made such an impression that people exaggerated everything and claimed that he was virtuous from birth. How is this difficult for you? At any rate I changed "Life" to "hagiography" so that should suffice.RotarenegEmem (talk) 05:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

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