Talk:Hood event

Ridiculous Image

I'm removing the image that has nothing to do with the article & subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.195.131 (talk) 08:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Readded the image. It provides context to the article by showing a similar incident of US soldiers placing hoods over the heads of Iraqi detainees in a similar location and time-frame. Palm_Dogg (talk) 00:41, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I have deleted it. It does not depict the event the article concerns, that is accepted by all. To argue that it should be there because it is claimed (claimed by a Wikipedia editor, not by a source) that it somewhat reflects what did happen is OR and editorializing. 88.108.85.107 (talk) 15:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Creation

This article was just created, so there are obviously a lot of problems with it. Please have some patience for the next week or two. Palm_Dogg 04:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hood?

• What exactly does the "Hood" in "Hood event" refer to?--Pharos 08:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• It is "çuval olayı" or "çuval hadisesi" in Turkish. "Çuval" (pronounced, chuval) is actually a sack, a woven sack employed for putting stuff inside, to be even more precise. There is another Turkish word for the hood used to cover the heads and faces of detainess, but I guess the Turkish media thought the word 'sack' sounded more sensational, alluding that the intended humiliation included the use of common sacks (such as those used for grains) for the detained Turkish soldiers.

Calculated Provocation

I have a problem with the wording of the following phrase but I understand that the article is still very recent. On July 4, 2003, soldiers from the United States Army's 173d Airborne Brigade raided a safehouse in the Kurdish-held Iraqi city of Sulaymaniyah. They claimed they were acting on an intelligence tip that there were individuals in the safehouse plotting to assassinate the Iraqi-Kurdish governor of the province of Kirkuk. What they found instead were a group of Turkish special forces, including a colonel and two majors, whom they promptly arrested.[5]. My information is that the US officers in place knew very well the presence of Turkish troops, numerous (and courteous) visits had been exchanged between the parties beforehand. Turkish soldiers actually thought that this was yet another friendly visit. It is not as if the US soldiers had acted on a tip and found, to their surprise, Turkish soldiers at the address. I am also extremely sceptical as to the fortitiousness of the date chosen for (in my view) the operation (the 4th of July), when reaching any competent US authority (including the then US ambassador to Turkey, Mr. Eric Edelman) would be doubly difficult, thus extending the period of the detention to 60 hours. It was a calculated provocation. --Cretanforever 09:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• • You 'information' is incorrect. This particular unit, the US one, was not aware of the Turkish presence at that location. But go ahead, and spout conspiracy theories, it's par for the course around some parts. How do I know? I was in Northern Iraq during this time-period. What else you couldn't or don't know is that the Turkish Special Forces had been committing some very questionable activities in the previous months--basically killing of captured Kurdish rebels--that bordered on war crimes.Virgil61 (talk) 16:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• If you have footnotes to backup any of your allegations, by all means list them. Palm_Dogg 17:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• I should correct. Former US Ambassador to Turkey (till 2005), Mr. Eric Edelman, officially took up his post by presenting credentials on 29 August 2003 (he had been appointed on 16 April, and he was administered the oath of office on 22 July). At the time of the Hood event, his predecessor, Mr. W. Robert Pearson was still physically in Turkey (although his termination of mission was 12 February 2003). I think he remained till the second half of July. --Cretanforever 04:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC) [1]

The source for the map is a geocities site inactive since 2001. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/1881/kurdistan96 Unless the Congress of the United States started to broadcast on geocities...it seems as pointless as marking the date of the event as 2003-07-04 instead of July 4 2003. I am adding these remarks into that image's discussion page as well. Cretanforever

It's 2009 and this article still too biased as any article about Turks on wiki are. It almost suggests that Turks are the ones that did something wrong. Can anyone that has sufficient knowledge on the issue with details edit this thoroughly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KeremS (talk • contribs) 18:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Link to TCG Muavenet (DM-357)

For some reason this article has a See Also to the Mauvenet. I seen no reason why it has one, unless someone wants to link incidents of US-Turkey misunderstandings. I'm removing the link, as they are clearly totally different subjects separated by more than a decade. Fanra 19:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed.

1. "While Turkey was able to suppress the guerillas, the insurgency left the government worried about future uprisings among its Kurdish population." Needs an inline citation.
2. "Not surprisingly, the Hood event made a much greater impact in Turkey than in the West, which by and large agreed with the US government's interpretation." "Not suprisingly" shouldn't be used, might be seen as POV; consider rewording.
3. "While the story received comparatively little coverage outside of the Middle East, Turkish newspapers loudly condemned the raid, referring to US forces with nicknames such as "Rambos" and "Ugly Americans"." Needs inline citation.
4. "The event periodically gets front coverage in the Turkish media, with the mass-circulation daily Hürriyet (web site) in the lead, in keeping with new declarations made to the press by the involved parties and new details divulged, this as late as December 2006 presently." Remove the web site link, it can possibly go to the external links section. The statement also needs an inline citation for the "in the lead" part. Also, "this as late as December 2006 presently" may need to be updated, and if there are no other current stories, then it needs a citation for the December 2006 stories.
5. The current inline citations should include the parameter that shows the last time the article was accessed so that readers will know if the links are still active.

If these are not addressed within seven days, the article may be delisted. If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. I don't see that being a problem since these should be easy to fix. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page. Regards, --Nehrams2020 22:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Issue 3 has been resolved.  --Lambiam 06:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Issue 4 has been resolved.  --Lambiam 06:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I tried to resolve other issues as well. Deniz^T_C 10:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: Pass

I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. One thing in the article that should be expanded on is that the intro mentions that the event was part of a film, but there is no mention of the film outside of the intro. Add a small section on it, maybe in the aftermath section. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have edited the article history to reflect this review. Regards, --Nehrams2020 05:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Para on Valley of the Wolves Iraq added to Aftermath section.  --Lambiam 12:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Who is Mayville?

The third paragraph of the "The Iraq War" section begins: "Mayville accused the Turks ...." I don't see Mayville identified anywhere, and I'm wondering who he is. GcT (talk) 18:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

TGB protest

Members of TGB (Türkiye Gençlik Birliği - Turkish Youth Unity) protested the policies of US government by covering the heads of US sailors from the US ship USS ROSS (DDG71), who were in civilian clothes in Istanbul. The way of protesting was based on the Hood Event.

This protesting event should be added to the Aftermath section.

94.122.143.137 (talk) 08:26, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

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