Talk:Horae

Pronunciation

"Eirene, or Irene (Ειρήνη -pronounced I-ree-nee"

In whose fonetics? -lysdexia 10:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Missing link

Why Hesperis (mythology) does not point to Hesperius? Are they not the same?--141.70.82.221 08:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

"Hesperius" is a Latin spelling of Hesperios or Hesperos, a name applied to the draco that guarded the trees in the garden of the Hesperides, often called Ladon. Another Hesperios figures in Thomas Campion's Ad Thamesin:

esto precor facilis, quosque ingens gloria Martis

extulit Hesperios, animis rebusque potentes

excipe, conde sinu, nostroque in littora siste."

and much more... But the Wikipedia "Hesperius" article is bogus. --Wetman 09:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I changed Irena from a redirect to a disambiguation, but I don't know if it should link to this article or to Eirene. Jimfbleak 07:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Those "generations"

The artificial introduction of unsourced "generations" in this unsourced article, where the horae mentioned by Hesiod are names of the "second" generation, may stymie editors who would work on the article otherwise.--Wetman (talk) 22:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The 12 Hours

Who initially proposed the "separate suite of Horae"?

ICE77 (talk) 07:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering that too. Mr. Guye (talk) 22:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Ears of corn?

Theros is described as "Crowned with ears of corn", but there was no maize in the ancient Greece. Should probably be wheat?84.214.214.19 (talk) 16:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

No, dude - corn. Johnbod (talk) 16:13, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Deities and personifications of seasons

A bunch of horae is listed there, modified by a drive-by editor 5 years ago. Can someone verify and provide references there? --Altenmann >talk 16:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

The article Horae has a table for "The Four Seasons" - but these are just Greek words for the four seasons. I see no refs that these are the names of the Horae. Yes they named "as the four handmaidens of Hera". But are they horae? Also, is a poem by a single poet is representation of Greek's mythology or just a personal poetry? --Altenmann >talk 17:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the sources cited, in the translation of Nonnus' Dionysiaca at https://topostext.org/work/529, I do see that he says there are four, but he doesn't name them. He's writing in the 5th century CE, so WP:PRIMARY and not classical. Quintus Smyrnaeus is probably a little earlier, but still not classical, and still primary. He mentions that there are four Seasons (in translation) at about 10.356 but doesn't name them either.[1] The source for the depictions is given just before the table: Murray, John (1833). A Classical Manual, being a Mythological, Historical and Geographical Commentary on Pope's Homer, and Dryden's Aeneid of Virgil with a Copious Index. Albemarle Street, London. p. 256 (now availble online[2]) which hardly satisfies WP:SCHOLARSHIP but I would guess is a fair description of some depictions, if not necessarily most or the modal types.

The OCD entry on the Horae has four in a third-century BCE procession in Alexandria and in Greco-Roman art later, but the pre-Hellenic number and names variable. I think that is perfectly sufficient for the Hellenic and Greco-Roman quantity and we've no reason to rely on or even mention Nonnus and Quintus Smyrnaeus. If depictions did become conventional, we should do better than Murray (1833) for them. I rather suspect artists and poets would each have used their own imagination rather than any rules, but largely quite naturally wound up showing flowers, wheat, fruit and so on. NebY (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)