Talk:Horemheb

King Horemheb tomb relief scene

Two side by side vertical cartouches:

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Vertical Hieroglyphs (in Cartouches) Tomb of Horemheb Praenomen in hieroglyphs

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Nomen in hieroglyphs

A tomb relief scene with Horemheb, from the Valley of the Kings, at Thebes, Egypt.

{The Red Crown of the North, the Delta should be larger(only 60 % full size), and the spacing is off.)

Djeser,KheperU,Re Hor,eM,Heb

(KheperU is the plural)

(Sacred,the Manifestations,(of)Re)

(Probably implying, more than just himself, being the Manifestations.)

and: "Horus of Celebrations"

A tomb relief scene with Horemheb offering a vessel in each hand to Hathor, has the adjacent Praenomen and Nomen in side by side vertical Cartouches.

Because there are two prepostions, eM (one) and eM (two), his name may be more like:

"Horus through Amon's Beloved" and

"Horus of the Celebraton(s)". (Horus being the Hawk (as Pharaoh))

No, praenomen reads: Dsr-xprw-ra stp-n-ra: Holy are the manifestations of Re, Chosen of Re. Nomen reads mr-n-imn Hr-m-hb: Beloved (one) of Amun, Horus in festival/jubilation. There is only one m, and only one n in the nomen. The position of the n (the phonetic value of the red crown) next to the hawk can be accounted for by aesthetic transposition, although I believe that during the 40's there was some suggestion that it was hot Horus in Festival but Hauron in Festival, Hauron being a Syrian-Canaanite god. --Cliau 03:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Why No Section on Horenheb's War?

Why is there no section of Horenheb's war and victory against the Hittites? It seems absurd to create a page of this Egyptian figure without eleborating on the other obvious reson for his rise to the throne, that of preventing the impending invasion of the Hittites. In fact, this seems downright irresponsible. Other obvious gaffes are the processs of succession, especially as both Ay, and perhaps previously Tutenkahmun himself were conviently dispatched to facillitate Horenheb's succession. This would have of the typical machination of classic court intrigues, redundant in any human ruling society. --69.119.72.251 (talk) 00:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)Veryverser

• Horemheb didn't conveniently 'dispatch' Tutankhamun because if he had, he would have assumed the throne. He was designated the 'Crown Prince' to the throne by Tutankhamun himself during the Boy king's reign but Ay somehow manipulated the internal political situation and got himself crowned pharaoh instead of Horemheb--who was presumably away on a campaign in Asia. Horemheb was the legitimately recognised successor to Tutankhamun. See pages 50-51 & 56-60 of this on-line article here by Jacobus Van Dijk who later established that that Horemheb had a reign of only 14 years, and not 27 years. Ay likely had help from Ankhesenamun, too, who disliked the commoner Horemheb. It was Horemheb who was stabbed in the back by Ay and Ankhesenamun. When Horemheb came to power, he smashed Ay's sarcophagus to pieces, destroyed Ay's figure from the latter's royal tomb, usurped this king's mortuary temple and also wiped out Ankhesenamun from history. What's more important is what he didn't do! He may have usurped many of Tutankhamun's monuments but he left the boy king's tomb alone. It was Tutankhamun who promoted his rise to power and made him the 'Crown Prince'--effectively chosing Horemheb to be his successor if he died without any children. Horemheb owed his own legitimacy to Tutankhamun...just as Ramesses I and Seti I owed their legitimacy to Horemheb's decision to choose Ramesses I as his own successor. I have to go now. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 04:07, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

This Wiki states that Ay preceded Horemheb, and the Wiki for Ay states that he reigned until either 1319 or 1323 BC. Horemheb is listed as reigning from either 1319 - 1292 BC or 1306 - 1292 BC. Furthermore, the Horemheb Wiki states that his reign is more likely to have started in 1306 BC. This is an interesting point because, if Horemheb's reign began in 1306 BC, and if Ay was his predecessor as stated in the Wiki, then nobody would have reigned between Ay's death (1319 or 1323 BC) and 1306 BC. This scenario seems unlikely to me. Thus, indicating that 1306 is more likely to have been the start of Horemheb's reign is probably incorrect, when the reigns of both Ay and Horemheb are cross-referenced. Tomada36 (talk) 02:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Has his Mummy been found?

I'm Curious?--JaredMithrandir (talk) 02:14, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, no. Iry-Hor (talk) 12:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

intro is unclear

the intro has this in it.

"He ruled from either 1319 BC to late 1292 BC,[1] or 1306 to late 1292 BC (since he ruled for 14 years) "

if he ruled for 14 years the first numbers make no sense, it should be "1319-1305". 82.9.94.243 (talk) 18:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Known Horemheb relatives

Horemheb obviously had no male sons, but did he have daughters or any other known relatives? 77.190.19.141 (talk) 18:39, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Spellings

Hi. I have his name spelled Harmheb in my own records but I don't know where I found that, though almost certainly in a book. Does anyone know of a source that could affirm this spelling? No problem if not. Thanks very much. 79.73.27.91 (talk) 21:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi again. I asked the question above and I am just letting you know I have opened an account now (see signature). Best wishes. Sistorian (talk) 12:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

The only references I can find for this spelling aren't fantastic - "The Eye and Man in Ancient Egypt", which seems to be an old monograph by an opthalmologist, and Allen Drury explaining how he came up with the names in A God Against the Gods, attributing the spelling "Harmhab" to James H. Breasted and listing "Harmheb" as another variation (along with Har-em-hab, Horemhab, Haremhab, Haremheb, and Heru-em-heb). I think the takeaway here is that folks have transliterated the name many different ways over the years as our understanding and the information available has changed, and not all of them are notable enough for inclusion in the article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree. As I say, I can't remember where I found the spelling. It might even have been a spelling mistake by me! I think we should forget this. We have two alternatives already in Horemhab or Haremhab. I see Britannica gives one alternative, which is Haremhab. I've changed the entry in my own document to Horemheb. Thank you again for your help.

Sistorian (talk) 14:52, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Clarity on damnatio memoriae

It needs clarifying that damnatio memoriae was only organised against Tutankhamun regarding monuments and scriptures that bore the name of Tutankhaten only and not Tutankhamun. There is no sourcing or references to this? Why not? Information such as that needs to be backed up as per wiki rules. Ts4221 (talk) 16:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Origin of his name

"The Hermotubies are from the districts of Busiris, Saïs, Khemmis, and Papremis, the island called Prosopitis, and half of Natho—from all of these; their number, at its greatest, attained to a hundred and sixty thousand. None of these has learned any common trade; they are free to follow the profession of arms alone." -- Herodotus Histories 2.165

--Based upon him being a Military Man from Western Egypt, his name looks to be derived from the term Hermotubie. 2601:58B:E7F:8410:7056:9A7E:5EA4:6A12 (talk) 17:33, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Son of Suit

"His parentage is unknown but he is believed to have been a commoner."

https://books.google.com/books?id=bvo2AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA357&lpg=PA357&dq=%22Thueris%22+horemheb&source=bl&ots=2g0LJbE2kh&sig=ACfU3U1kYngVWTKqwJEEY4ic7axWypm74A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiCyLOfvpv9AhVLRDABHTt6DrY4HhDoAXoECAUQAw#v=onepage&q=%22Thueris%22%20horemheb&f=false

"His mother, Suit, sits at his right hand..." -- Manual of Egyptian Archaeology and Guide to the Study of Antiquities, Gaston Maspero 2601:58B:E7F:8410:7056:9A7E:5EA4:6A12 (talk) 17:39, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Speos of Horemheb - Taweret

https://travel2egypt.org/egypt-travel-guide/kom-ombo/while-you-are-there/places-to-go/the-speos-of-horemheb/

"On the southern end wall, the benevolent goddess Tauret is seen in rare human form, suckling the young King Horemheb." 2601:58B:E7F:8410:7056:9A7E:5EA4:6A12 (talk) 17:49, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Hittite campaign in Year 16

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1356409?read-now=1&seq=2#page_scan_tab_contents

"Regnal Year 16(1) under the majesty of the lord of two lands, Horemheb(2), the ruler(3); at the time of(4) his first victorious campaign(5), from Byblos(6), as far as the land of the vile chief of Karkemish(7)." -- Donald Redford 2601:58B:E7F:8410:ADE9:51C6:B45F:BDC2 (talk) 18:37, 25 April 2023 (UTC)