Talk:Horse rings in Portland, Oregon/Archive 1

Sources

• http://www.39forks.com/39pages/art/press/JAHLaunch.htm
• http://www.39forks.com/39pages/art/press/PDXmagDEC06Launch.htm
• http://www.39forks.com/39pages/art/press/pMonthlyAug06.JPG

--Another Believer _(Talk) 02:35, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Commons category

I have uploaded several images to Commons of tethered and untethered horse rings in Portland. Once the title of this article is certain, I will create a Commons category for these and future images. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:50, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Title move?

Would anyone object to moving this article to simply Horse rings and perhaps expanding it a wee bit to incorporate the general concept? All the Portland material can stay, but this is an interesting topic and presumably these exist elsewhere? Montanabw^(talk) 16:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Do you think there would be enough material to warrant a separate article specifically about horse rings? I've been debating whether a Portland-specific article is necessary, or if perhaps a general article re: horse rings should exist and this one should be moved to Horse Project...? I am open to suggestions and look forward to a conversation. Had to start somewhere... --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Note: See Steven Walling's contribution to the discussion here. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:33, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

We have enough for mounting block and a lot of other topics, so yes. I'd love to see more, these have got to not be unique to Portland, much as Portland is a cool place. Though if they ARE, that's even more interesting, I suppose. Montanabw^(talk) 17:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Horse rings are not unique to Portland, but I imagine the local government ordinance preserving the rings and the art installations are unique to the city. --Another Believer _(Talk) 17:51, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps the most appropriate first step would be to collect sources with information about horse rings. That could determine whether there is enough information available to support a general article about Horse rings. Almost all of the information in the Portland article is about... Portland, not the history of horse rings, their distribution worldwide, etc. (apart from a short background sentence or two). --Another Believer _(Talk) 17:55, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Going to drop a couple notes to some of the Brits and at WPEQ to see if we get any bites. Montanabw^(talk) 18:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I found a Seattle PI article that is relevant, and a 1978 article about Portland's horse rings that suggests not all of them may be so old. Steven Walling • talk 04:22, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Great finds, Steven. I have gone ahead and incorporated content into this article--feel free to discuss if these edits are nonconstructive or sway opinion either way re: Portland-specific vs. general horse rings article. --Another Believer _(Talk) 14:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm OK with current focus until or unless we find substantive evidence of these existing elsewhere. This thread indicates some exist in Italy, but more data needed. Montanabw^(talk) 18:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I have to say, I am not finding much additional information online about Portland or worldwide ring use, which isn't to say additional information does not exist. I am happy to wait a while longer if additional time for research by others is needed, but I am tempted to nominate this Portland-specific article for GA status. --Another Believer _(Talk) 23:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I'll support if you put in more cute model horsies! (grin) Montanabw^(talk) 19:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I'd love to add more images to the article, but it's short length is a limiting factor. The above images are all currently at Commons, so I will create a category at Commons with a link on the Wikipedia article. This will allow readers to view additional images. I have not created a category thus far because I was uncertain whether or not the title of the article was most appropriate. --Another Believer _(Talk) 19:54, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Time for a related article about Bronies in Portland, Montanabw? tedder (talk) 20:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

What on earth?! Just read a hilarious article in The Oregonian about bronies in Portland. We need a lot more quirky, Portland-oriented articles. I love this city. --Another Believer _(Talk) 20:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad to corrupt you. I wouldn't have known about Bronies except I got My Little Pony checks a few years ago, mostly as a protest against having to write checks. I then found out about bronies. tedder (talk) 20:21, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I feel so old. Montanabw^(talk) 23:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Update: Commons category added! --Another Believer _(Talk) 20:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Horse rings in Portland/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Status (talk · contribs) 06:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Lead

• Rings were removed from sidewalks for safety purposes until the late-1970s, when one Portland resident complained about their disappearance. --> The disappearance of what? The rings or the person?

Done. Now reads: "They were removed from sidewalks for safety purposes until the late-1970s, when one Portland resident complained about the rings disappearing." --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

• Today the City of Portland helps to preserve the rings by requiring them to be replaced following sidewalk construction or repair. --> Today, the city of Portland helps to preserve the rings by requiring them to be replaced following sidewalk construction or repair.

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Background and history

• Prior to the late-1970s, rings were unofficially removed during reconstruction or repair for safety purposes. --> What exactly does unofficially mean?

I went with the wording used in the source, but my interpretation is that there was no policy to remove the rings, but the rings were removed because they were no longer necessary. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I think it's best to remove the word "unofficially". I might just not be familiar with horse rings, but I don't believe that there would be an "official" way to remove them. Maybe "illegal" could work, but it isn't illegal, is it? Statυs (talk) 17:12, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Done. Removed "unofficially". --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:26, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

• In 1978, after one Portland resident complained about the disappearing rings, then City Commissioner Connie McCready announced that rings could be replaced at a homeowner's request, likely for a fee of $5. --> In 1978, after one Portland resident complained about the disappearance of rings, the Connie McCready, City Commissioner, announced that rings could be replaced at a homeowner's request, likely for a fee of $5.

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk::::::) 15:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Huh? "the Connie McCready"? I've fixed this presumably inadvertent error in the article, also adding "a" to indicate something the reviewer might not know (given Portland's unusual form of city government): that McCready was one of several city commissioners, not Portland's (only) city commissioner. I'm not sure whether the title should be capitalized when not preceding the name, though. SJ Morg (talk) 17:17, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, SJ. I did not read the sentence carefully enough when I made the insert. I was aware of the multi-commissioner system and think your wording is better at communicating that point. Much appreciated! --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

• Today the City of Portland is committed to preserving the horse rings, which are reinstalled following sidewalk construction or repair. --> Today, the city of Portland is committed to preserving the horse rings, which are reinstalled following sidewalk construction or repair.

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Horse Project

• No need for quotation marks around Horse Project.

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

References

• 2 access issues and 2 uncategorized redirects

Verdict

• All issues seem to have been addressed. Passing the article! Great work! Statυs (talk) 18:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Much appreciated. --Another Believer _(Talk) 19:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.