Talk:Hotchkiss Mle 1914 machine gun

Confused, isn't this a contradiction?

The article states "The Hotchkiss fired from an open bolt" and then later states that "Each empty feed strip was ejected automatically after its last round had been fired, leaving the bolt open in the rear position. Then introducing a new loaded strip into the gun triggered the release forward of the bolt and firing resumed."

These two statements seem to be contradictory. I assume there is a missing statement about needing to pull the trigger in there? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:43, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Le Petit Chat.

I don't see how Encyclopédie des armes : Les forces armées du monde can be reliable, since it is wrong. Perhaps Le Chat will enter the alleged reference, in French, here, so we can examine it (although I see that he/she is now no longer offering it as a reliable source). In fact, no sources are now offered to support the references to the Russo-Japanese War or the Boxer Rebellion. Both those conflicts took place at least ten years before the M1914 was produced. It was called the 1914 because it was produced in 1914, in keeping with French practice. The weapon the Japanese used in the Russo-Japanese War, the Hotchkiss M1900, can be seen here.

This is an article about the M1914, which took part in neither the Russo-Japanese War nor the Boxer Rebellion, because it didn't exist. There are other articles on Wikipedia that describe other models of Hotchkiss machine gun, and that is where such claims belong. I have restored the correct version. Hengistmate (talk) 11:59, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

I do not understand. This page is also talking about the nearly identical M1987 and M1900 variants. The Encyclopedie des armes mentions all the versions under the same article. Should we made an article about all the different versions of the same machine gun ? I don't think so.--Le Petit Chat (talk) 12:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Hengistmate: The commons file you gave is used in the pages de:Hotchkiss M1914, es:Hotchkiss M1914, ja:ホッチキス Mle1914重機関銃. The page Hotchkiss M1914 machine gun is about the serie of Hotchkiss M1897, M1900, M1909 and M1909 MGs. By a similar reasoning, the page MP 40 is about MP 36, MP 38 and MP 40. --Le Petit Chat (talk) 12:27, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

This is an article about the M1914 Hotchkiss machine gun, which, as the name implies, went into limited production in 1914 and into mass production by 1916. It was the latest in a longish line of Hotchkiss Machine guns, which have their own dedicated article here. The M1914 article explains the trail of development quite adequately. The 1897 is not a variant of the 1917; it's a predecessor. "Should we made an article about all the different versions of the same machine gun ? I don't think so." No. We have an article about the M1914, we have an article on the M1909, and we also have an article about the other models of Hotchkiss machine gun. Did the M1914 take part in the Boxer Rebellion or Russo-Japanese War? Yes/No? What is the relevance of the fact that the 1897 or 1900 did? If the Encyclopédie des armes wants to do an article about all Hotchkiss machine guns, that's their business. I repeat: this is an article about the M1914. If you wish to add details about the other models, then do so on the page to which I have just directed you. If other Wikipedia sites want to use that photo and cover the topic differently, that's up to them. It takes enough time to get the English Wikipedia to get its facts straight.Hengistmate (talk) 22:35, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Hengistmate: M1900 and M1914 are the same machine guns, with minor modifications. Please read this article:

"L’Etat passe donc commande de mitrailleuses aux établissements Hotchkiss. Ceux-ci proposent à l’armée française une version légèrement modifiée du modèles 1900. Cette nouvelle version de la mitrailleuse Hotchkiss, baptisée « officiellement « modèle 1914 », ne se distingue du « modèle 1900 » que par des modifications mineures visant à la rendre plus robuste et à réduire son coût de fabrication."

In English: "The state therefore orders machine guns to Hotchkiss establishments. These propose to the French army a slightly modified version of the 1900 models. This new version of the Hotchkiss machine gun, named officially "model 1914", differs from the "1900 model" only by minor modifications to make it more robust and reduce its manufacturing cost."--Le Petit Chat (talk) 23:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)