Talk:House of Mehmandarovs

Sources

@Nemoralis Please refrain from deleting reliably sourced content without discussion. Monument Watch is an independent academic platform that is entirely written and supervised by certified and well-respected academics (https://monumentwatch.org/en/who-we-are/team/), the other source you reverted is literally from a university, the American University of Armenia, it’s also an academic source. Lastly, how is a book literally published by the History museum of Armenia not reliable? Please assume good faith in sources before dismissing them as unreliable because they happen to come from Armenia, which unlike Azerbaijan is not known by reliable sources to falsify its history. TagaworShah (talk) 17:17, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

The first source is a book published by the state museum, which is also referenced by Monument Watch. The second source is the "Artsakh Heritage" page on the website of the American University of Armenia, a university founded by the Armenian government. All of these sources are either funded or were created by the Armenian government. Considering that, no third party (non-Azerbaijani and non-Armenian) source makes a mention of this Yesai Gharamyants, we cannot write these sources' claim in wiki voice. My search in both English and Russian books gave no results. My suggestion is moving it from lead to body and mentioning that it is referenced solely by sources from Armenia: "Some sources from Armenia state that" Nemoralis (talk) 18:42, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Monument watch is an independent academic platform, it’s not affiliated with the Armenian government and as you can see from its team it is entirely made up of independent researchers and not the Armenian government. The American University of Armenia is also an independent University, just because they receive some funding from the government doesn’t make them a government source, are publicly funded universities in America like UCLA “American government sources.” And the state history museum of Armenia simply published that book, it’s not written by officials in the Armenian government. If you want to go by that logic, Elm the publisher of the sources currently used also published sources that claimed Armenian churches were Caucasian Albanian and that Armenians never lived in the Caucasus till the 1800s, which have been widely criticized by reliable sources. None of the sources I provided are written by the Armenian government so attributing them would be completely wrong, they are academic publications. The reason you can’t find any other sources is because Yesai/Esayi/Esai Gharamyants/Garamyants/Gramov’s name is spelled a million different ways in English and this topic is mostly covered in Armenian. TagaworShah (talk) 18:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Can you share that sources? I tried to search different versions of his name (in Armenian too) but still no result. Nemoralis (talk) 21:08, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Sure, here are three more sources in Armenian that mention him. I didnt include these because the ones in the article have more academic value and more independent, as opposed to Armenpress which is one of the sources that mentions it as well. They all spell his name a little differently too, Garameyants, Gharameantsi etc. so I see why it’s hard to find them. [1][2][3] TagaworShah (talk) 22:37, 4 October 2023 (UTC)