Talk:Howell Township, New Jersey

Sections of Howell

Should someone put the sections of Howell in the article, like Southard, Ramtown, Adelphia, etc.? NASCAR9 (talk) 22:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Message boards

These message boards are an important resource for Howell and surrounding communities and need to be listed here. This is not link spam in the least, but an attempt to inform current and prospective Howell residents of the news about the township. I don't feel they violate the terms in the least. Joewp (talk) 15:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Notable Residents

Kal Penn was never a resident of Howell. He only went to school there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.0.152.164 (talk) 21:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Merge and restructuring

Ardena, Candlewood, Freewood Acres, Lake Club, Land of Pines, Oak Glen, Parkway Pines, Salem Hill, Shacks Corner, Southard, Winston Park have been tagged with merged suggestion. While

• "Parcel and Subdisvision Map". Howell Township. October 2016. Retrieved March 31, 2020.
• "NJDOT Graphic Information System Maps Middlesex" (PDF). New Jersey Department of Transportation. Retrieved March 29, 2020. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
• and other sources

indicate these places exists it appears that from their stubs a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources. Therefore the articles should be redirected to this article's geography section (the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision) that contains it, maintaining, if any, encyclopedic information. Alternatively, it could be in included in a geography list entitled "Sections of Howell"???? Djflem (talk) 06:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, there are other Howell section stubs that should be individually reviewed, some of which are historical communities for which references for expansion may exist, or better redirected to this article. Some info might be found:

• Gannett, Henry (January 28, 1895). "A Geographic Dictionary of New Jersey". U.S. Government Printing Office – via Google Books.
• Gordon, Thomas Francis (1834). "A Gazetteer of the State of New Jersey: Comprehending a General View of Its Physical and Moral Condition, Together with a Topographical and Statistical Account of Its Counties, Towns, Villages, Canals, Rail Roads, &c., Accompanied by a Map".
• Rick Geffken, Muriel J. Smith (2019), Hidden History of Monmouth County, Arcadia Publishing, ISBN 9781439667682

Djflem (talk) 07:51, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

• Tova Navarra, Tova Navarra (1996), Howell and Farmingdale: A Social and Cultural History, Arcadia Publishing, ISBN 9780738563763

Djflem (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm all for a page entitled something like List of neighborhoods in Howell Township, New Jersey, just like the recent List of neighborhoods in Edison, New Jersey. Short stub pages can be redirected into this main page and contain a table of each neighborhood or subdivision, while the ones with more details can remain as standalone articles. On another note, the creation of a Howell, NJ navbox would be useful too. Tinton5 (talk) 20:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tinton5:@Alansohn: Have considered it and am unsure as to how to proceed, since the sources above list many more places/subdvisions than are in Category:Neighborhoods in Howell, New Jersey, which seems random. What would be the parameters for such a list? GNIS, NJOT, or some other source to act as guideline for inclusion?? See also:

• "History of Howell Township". Howell Township. Retrieved April 3, 2020. The area was later called Turkey...before becoming known as Adelphia. In addition to Adelphia, Howell has a number of other early settlement areas that later became suburban neighborhoods: Bethel (Southard), Jerseyville (originally called Green Grove), Ramtown, Squankum, Freewood Acres, and Ardena. Bethel, an area in the southwest part of Howell Township, was settled in 1865 when a lot was donated by Israel Reynolds to build a Methodist Church that was completed in 1866. A school house opened in 1870, followed by a store in 1872. A post office opened in 1882 and reflected the area's name change from Bethel to Southard.Djflem (talk) 08:32, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Djflem, let's just start with listing all of the articles for neighborhoods within Howell Township that already exist. Once something like List of neighborhoods in Howell Township, New Jersey has been created, the opportunity exists to add any other neighborhoods and communities that exist within the list of sources shown above. We don't have to wait to create a complete article on the first pass. Alansohn (talk) 12:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tinton5:@Alansohn: If either of you would like to start List of neighborhoods in Howell Township, New Jersey, please do. (I'm still working on List of neighborhoods in Woodbridge Township, New Jersey) I'm disinclined. There are 135 subdivisions on "Parcel and Subdisvision Map". Howell Township. October 2016., ten of which have a stub on Wikipedia. I do not like random lists (or believe because they Wikipedia article stub, they should be included. Do not find that a academic or encyclopedic criterion. It's self-referential and Wikipedia is not a reliable source.) With suburban/rural Howell, I think the subdivisions can be ditched and better to focus on the original villages, crossroad communities, company towns, (which correspond to 21st century 'sections' and add to those articles listed below (with may be incomplete). (The rest should just be immediately redirected or deleted unless there's a compelling reason/reference to keep.) IMO of the 26 in the category, these 10-14 justify the research and addition of RS. The Howell article could then be re-cast in geography/history to reflect the early settlements with the random (very incomplete) listing of the subdivisions being eliminated.

1. Adelphia, New Jersey
2. Ardena, New Jersey
3. Fairfield, Monmouth County, New Jersey (??)
4. Fort Plains, New Jersey (??)
5. Freewood Acres, New Jersey
6. Jerseyville, New Jersey
7. Lower Squankum, New Jersey
8. Maxim, New Jersey
9. Ramtown, New Jersey
10. Shacks Corner, New Jersey (?)
11. Southard, New Jersey
12. Squankum, New Jersey
13. West Farms, New Jersey (?)
14. Wyckoff Mills, New Jersey (?)

Djflem (talk) 20:03, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Redirecting geographic superstubs

This discussion imported from User talk:Djflem#Redirecting geographic superstubs to consolidate this discussion.

I saw your discussion note and your recent edits. There is a huge percentage of articles for unincorporated communities of all kinds (neighborhoods, housing developments, named intersections, etc.) that have never evolved beyond a single sentence or two, such as Maxim, New Jersey. Sources have been added to some of these articles, but often they add little more than confirming that the place exists. I don't see why we shouldn't be turning these kinds of superstubs directly into redirects to the parent municipality, rather than extending the agony by starting a merge discussion. I think that we're better off with a much smaller number of meatier articles for unincorporated places, with no prejudice to turning the redirects back into standalones as new sourcing becomes available. I just wanted to see your thoughts on the issue, before jumping into debates on the topic. Alansohn (talk) 12:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I am in agreement with you. Actually, perhaps the merger tag should have been a redirect tag, if one exists. I do believe they should be screened for tradiional/historical/noteworthy communities. I've done Edison, as you may have noted. I've continued with Howell, where there was a large amount. If you'd respond there with the same/similiar message as above, then at least those 15 or so can be redirected immediately.Djflem (talk) 12:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I'll chime in and start making the redirects. Thanks for the feedback; I had assumed that this was your position based on your edits, but I wanted to put the question to you directly. Thanks for all of your work! Alansohn (talk) 15:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Alansohn: I believe that the categories should be kept for navigation purposes so that an reader/editor (should they so choose) can find the stub & its history. (Then there's the question about county templates, but that's another discussion).Djflem (talk) 15:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Agreed about the categories; I always keep the categories when I change an article to a redirect. The county templates will need to be cleaned up and so will the articles for the parent municipalities. I think we're in synch here. I will start as soon as I can and ramp up the process. I'll keep an eye out for your edits. Alansohn (talk) 15:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I see that you've started with microstubs in Woodbridge Township. There are about 900 entries in Category:Unincorporated communities in New Jersey and I have a sneaking suspicion that a few hundred of these should be redirects. Thanks for starting on this much-needed task. Alansohn (talk) 17:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

@Alansohn: I find there's no rush to do it, just focusing on the townships with large populations (such as Edison/Woodbridge) or Cherry Hill, Ewing that are more urbanized/developed (and where a list might be appropriate) is a good place to start. Other more rural areas may need a better BEFORE.Djflem (talk) 17:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

You're probably right. Some of these apparent microstubs in rural areas were thriving settlements that had shrunk into irrelevance. Some of the historical books will help there. We have the beginnings of a strategy. Alansohn (talk) 18:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

@Alansohn: Indeed, the aforementioned Maxim, New Jersey, has now been expanded to what I consider GNG guidelines. This is not to say that it's not a stub and shouldn't be redirected to a list, but to indicate any wholesale move (with indivisual consideration) might counterproductive.Djflem (talk) 08:49, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Djflem, I saw the changes to Maxim, which also make it likely that there are other sources and material to expand it beyond a stub. As always, any merges should be done by keeping the article as a redirect without prejudice to recreating a standalone once additional content can be added to demonstrate independent notability. Alansohn (talk) 12:14, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I think any article that has enough refs to pass GEOLAND/GNG, however stubby, should be kept because is has a much better chance of getting worked on that a re-direct and the work should be about adding references to the stubs.Djflem (talk) 20:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Howell Township, New Jersey

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Howell Township, New Jersey's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "CPH232":

• From East Freehold, New Jersey: New Jersey: 2010 - Population and Housing Unit Counts - 2010 Census of Population and Housing (CPH-2-32), United States Census Bureau, August 2012. Accessed June 19, 2013.
• From Monmouth County, New Jersey: New Jersey: 2010 - Population and Housing Unit Counts; 2010 Census of Population and Housing Archived July 23, 2013, at the Wayback Machine, p. 6, CPH-2-32. United States Census Bureau, August 2012. Accessed August 29, 2016.
• From Bergen County, New Jersey: New Jersey: 2010 – Population and Housing Unit Counts; 2010 Census of Population and Housing, United States Census Bureau, August 2012. Accessed May 11, 2015.
• From Ocean County, New Jersey: New Jersey: 2010 - Population and Housing Unit Counts; 2010 Census of Population and Housing, p. 6, CPH-2-32. United States Census Bureau, August 2012. Accessed August 29, 2016.
• From Jackson Township, New Jersey: New Jersey: 2010 – Population and Housing Unit Counts – 2010 Census of Population and Housing (CPH-2-32), United States Census Bureau, August 2012. Accessed December 25, 2012.
• From Middlesex County, New Jersey: New Jersey: 2010 - Population and Housing Unit Counts; 2010 Census of Population and Housing Archived 2013-07-23 at the Wayback Machine, p. 6, CPH-2-32. United States Census Bureau, August 2012. Accessed August 29, 2016.
• From Lakewood Township, New Jersey: New Jersey: 2010 - Population and Housing Unit Counts - 2010 Census of Population and Housing (CPH-2-32), United States Census Bureau, August 2012. Accessed December 26, 2012.
• From List of census-designated places in New Jersey: "New Jersey: 2010, Population and Housing Unit County, 2010 Census of Population and Housing (CPH-2-32)" (PDF). United States Census Bureau. June 2012. Retrieved June 8, 2013.
• From Yorketown, New Jersey: New Jersey: 2010 - Population and Housing Unit Counts - 2010 Census of Population and Housing (CPH-2-32), United States Census Bureau, August 2012. Accessed December 14, 2012.
• From Navesink, New Jersey: New Jersey: 2010 - Population and Housing Unit Counts - 2010 Census of Population and Housing (CPH-2-32), United States Census Bureau, August 2012. Accessed December 16, 2012.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:56, 18 November 2021 (UTC)