Talk:Huey P. Newton Gun Club

"Black separatist" dispute

So are you purposely trying to make the group look like a racist group? We thought this was suppose to be a space for truthful information. It is not straight forward it is clearly misleading information. The HPNGC is mentioned once and it isn't in anyway manner stating that we are a separatist group. The exact quote in the article is, "he Huey P Newton Gun Club, named after one of the Black Panthers' founders, was created last year in Dallas to oppose "police terrorism". The group teaches self-defense and conducts patrols in areas where black men have died at the hands of police." So either yall are not fully reading the article and just pasting anything in here to make it look creditable. When actually if people follow the link and read the entire story, it doesn't provide evidence for the despicable thing you are trying to make us out to be.

Which article is awful? In true journalism the personal opinions of the interviewer, writer, producer, or editor are irreverent. They should be un-bias anything else it is just a personal blog!! I stress that to be quoted as a separatist group is completely incorrect and blatant lies. We have members of different nationalities and races. This is defamation of character for the organization. It seems that you maybe better off deleting the article. If this is not corrected, we will be seeking legal advice as this editing war is obviously with someone who is trying to tarnish our work in the communities. It isnt our fault that most of the people who are murdered by police in Dallas, and the US for that matter, are black. Ogoodson13 (talk) 02:50, 22 July 2016 (UTC)ogoodson13Ogoodson13 (talk) 02:50, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

We do want every Wikipedia article to be as truthful as possible, and we try to do that by using independent secondary sources. Most news sources do have a bias, but the BBC is generally held to be a reliable source. From the BBC article, I initially interpreted it to mean that HPNGC was a black separatist group, but not a racist hate group, per "Ms. Beirich also notes the gun club is not counted as a SPLC hate group as it does not reinforce racist ideals." After looking into it, the SPLC considers all black separatist groups to be hate groups. So if the SPLC does not consider HPNGC a hate group, they must not believe it to be a black separatist group either. After doing a Google search, I couldn't find another reliable source that directly asserted that HPNGC was a black separatist group, so I think we can be justified in changing it. --Iamozy (talk) 15:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

I want to clarify that we are talking about this source: Are US black separatist groups on the rise? (BBC) The Huey P. Newton Gun Club is mentioned in the article. The full text regarding the Gun Club is the following:

"The Huey P Newton Gun Club, named after one of the Black Panthers' founders, was created last year in Dallas to oppose 'police terrorism'. The group teaches self-defence and conducts patrols in areas where black men have died at the hands of police. 'Us arming ourselves, we're able to create a culture of being independent from government institutions who do not have our best interest in mind,' said Rakem Balogun, a founding member of the gun club. 'When [white people] see us with guns, they see boys in the hood', he told the BBC's Dan Murdoch, 'instead of thinking black deacons of defence'. Though Johnson was a member of the Huey P Newtown Gun Club's Facebook group, member Erick Khafre told the Los Angeles Times that he had no affiliation to the club 'in any way'. Ms Beirich also notes the gun club is not counted as a SPLC hate group as it does not reinforce racist ideals."

There is nowhere within the article that the claim is directly made that the HPNGC is a black separatist group. If someone wants to insert that claim into the article, please explain your decision here. --Iamozy (talk) 14:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Thoughts?

Anything? My thoughts are that this article is awful. I linked to it on the NPOV noticeboard.142.105.159.60 (talk) 14:00, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

I've taken a look and removed the couple of POV statements. At this point, I don't see any reason to keep the {{POV}} tag and have removed it. There is plenty of room for improvement, but it seems rather straight-forward now. Toddst1 (talk) 19:42, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Questions about founders

@AugustGun: Thank you for declaring your connection. Please use this talk page to discuss your concerns.

I appreciate your concern about the info regarding the founders that you mention above and have tagged the info about Rakem accordingly. However, we have a reliable source in the article (The BBC) that says otherwise. Can you provide some sources that can disprove that? We'd like to make sure that this article is factually accurate, but we can't take your (or any other editor's) word on things like this per WP:V. Toddst1 (talk) 20:00, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Why do you keep putting up the misinformation please contact the founder who is Babu Omowale 972 704 4959...we want the information on this site to be corrected another person that is not the current leader needs to be removed as well..it's all fucked up I am the source so please let's get it all corrected thanks you .

Zanta secretary of Huey P Newton Gun Club AugustGun (talk) 17:49, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Did you read the message above? See Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from subject) for a general overview of ways to get problems fixed (as well as an email address). You can also mention specific problems here (but you'll have to provide some evidence - other than your say-so - that the cited information is not right) if you want specific mistakes corrected.

The email address is info-en-q@wikimedia.org. The first thing you might be asked to do is to privately establish your identity. Toddst1 (talk) 19:10, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Another question. Are Charles Goodson and Yafeuh Balogun the same person? I added information earlier about actions and statements made by co-founder Goodson which user Ogoodson13 edited to attribute to Balogun. I also think it's likely that Ogoodson13 is Goodson/Balogun. --Iamozy (talk) 13:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

I am the co-founder Yafeuh Balogun previously known as Charles Goodson. The article cited says he was affiliated with other organizations that may be black separatist group. However the Huey P Newton Gun Club is a coalition of different organizations that do not have the same ideology. This is a press release authorized by the organization. https://hueypnewtongunclub.wordpress.com/

How does one privately establish their identity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ogoodson13 (talk • :contribs) 01:05, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you @Ogoodson13: for declaring your connection. As described above, see Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from subject) and then email info-en-q@wikimedia.org. I hope this helps. Toddst1 (talk) 01:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

References

Club "Head" dispute

There has been some disagreement on whether Makio Shakur is the "head" of the HPNGC (in the infobox). I gather from Ogoodson13's edits [123] that he is disputing this claim. The referenced source is from RawStory. It is the only source that makes this claim. Is RawStory a reliable source? Should the information be removed anyway until it can be confirmed by another reliable source? --Iamozy (talk) 15:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

I think removing the disputed material until better sources are available would be prudent. Toddst1 (talk) 17:01, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

This should not be an article

It disrespects Huey’s memory. This isn’t what he would have wanted as part of legacy.Highflyingkitty (talk) 14:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)