Talk:Huldah Gates

Possibly usable material on page Solomon's Porch

Page Solomon's Porch has something about the gates. It is a very messy page, but maybe something is useful to be transferred/copied/referenced here. Tomdo08 (talk) 02:54, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Some links

I wasted my time in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 14#Double Gate and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 14#Triple Gate to get some links about the gates. But maybe they hold something interesting, so:

A couple of links where the terms ('Double Gate' and 'Triple Gate') are used as known identity:

• Various views of the city wall [Jerusalem. The Triple Gate]
• Various views of the city wall [Jerusalem. The Double Gate]
• [1] Gates of Jerusalem.htm
• Southern Temple Mount Wall - Jerusalem 101
• The Gates of Jerusalem
• The Beautiful Gate of the Temple in Jerusalem
• Southern Temple Mount Excavations (BiblePlaces.com) – BiblePlaces.com
• [2]
• Reconstructing the Triple Gate
• Jerusalem in the Time of the Crusades: Society, Landscape and Art in the Holy City Under Frankish Rule
• The Archaeology of the Jerusalem Area
• The Recovery of Jerusalem: A Narrative of Exploration and Discovery in the City and the Holy Land
• The Holy Land: An Oxford Archaeological Guide from Earliest Times to 1700
• Jerusalem: Points Beyond Friction, and Beyond
• The History of Jerusalem: The Early Muslim Period (638-1099)
• The Archaeology of the Jerusalem Area
• The Splendor of the Temple
• The Recovery of Jerusalem: A Narrative of Exploration and Discovery in the City and the Holy Land
• Golden Jerusalem
• Jerusalem

Tomdo08 (talk) 03:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Only in the Mishna, really? And is it there in the singular?

@Hertz1888 and Hope&Act3!: Is that the only ancient mention of the name? I checked up Josephus, both Wars and Antiquities: nothing there. No more time for Pliny, and the Talmud is not my thing.
I just structured the article in a hopefully useful way, but mainly based on what was there already, which isn't the best way, that's how mistakes are being perpetuated.
Is the Mishna (Midot 1:3) talking of a SINGLE Huldah Gate, or is it using the PLURAL form?
The Mishna was brought in by an anonymous editor [Huldah Gates] in poor English, but apparently based on good knowledge of the facts, and was expanded upon by others.
We need an URL to Encyclopædia Judaica (ed. 1972), vol. 15, pp.963-4. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 12:31, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Arminden:, shalom. As for your question about the Mishnah where it mentions the Huldah Gate, there in Tractate Middot 1:3, it is mentioned as "the two Huldah Gates," in the plural. This presents no difficulty, however, as both the Triple Gates and the Double Gates are, collectively, called the Huldah Gate. See the source (Rivka Gonen) in the lede paragraph. Although Josephus does not mention this gate by name, he was no doubt familiar with Huldah the prophetess, whom he mentions by name in his Antiquities 10.4.2. As for the southern-most gates of the Temple Mount, while Josephus does not make mention of the gate by name, he does mention walls that ran their course around the Temple Mount (see The Jewish War 5.4.2). He also mentions four gates on the western quarter of the Temple Mount, in Antiquities 15.11.5. The Jerusalem Talmud (Tractate Chagigah) mentions that one has not fulfilled his pilgrimage to Jerusalem until he sets foot within the Temple Mount. A popular route taken was from Siloam (where the people would immerse themselves), before going up to the Temple Mount, where the people would have entered through the Huldah Gates. You may wish to read about the "Two-thousand year Pilgrimage Road" discovered in Jerusalem, here and here.Davidbena (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Information from a rejected draft page

Another editor, Muratgokmen5681 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log), submitted a draft on the Triple Gate, Draft:Abwab Mihrab Maryam (Triple Gate). Perhaps some of the text below taken from the rejected draft page can be incorporated in this article. Abwab Mihrab Maryam in its other name Triple Gate rests around 65.60 metres far from Bāb al-Nabī and is 11.6 meters beneath from the level of Al-Aqsa Mosque with its three doorways. (Al-Ratrout,2004:295). It has three doorways. [Burgoune, 1992, 110]. Warren and Conder supports the idea that the monument belongs to “Byzantine” date; by Byzantine emperor Justinian [Warren, 1970, p164; Conder,

a) Al-Ratrout, Haitham. (2003) The Architectural Development of Al-Aqsa Mosque in Islamic Jerusalem in the Early Islamic Period: Sacred Architecture in the Shape of 'The Holy'. ISBN 190443603X b) Burgoyne, M. H. (1992). “The Gates of the Haram al- Sharif. In: Raby, J. And Jhons, J (ed) Bayt al-Maqdis: ‘Abd al-Malik’s Jerusalem. Oxford: Oxford University Press, p.105.

c) Warren, Ch., and Conder, C.R. (1970 (1884)). The survey of Western Jerusalem Vol., Jerusalem: Kedem Publishing.

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More references

As well, I found these references:

References

Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Tomdo08 references, formatted

Tomdo08 listed several references in their message above. I have expanded the bare URLs to make it easier to see what the references point to. Perhaps some of them could be added to this article or to a related one. s

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Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)