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House of M

I was wondering if anyone knew the story behind the House of M Hulk. It's a huge departure from the regular, with Bruce Banner hanging out eith aborigines and in control of his rage/Hulk persona. There was very little mention of it in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kidney Stone (talk • contribs) .

See House of M for much of the general background. But, the aborigine-thing (and baldness/tattooes that went with it) aside, the characterisation of Banner & the Hulk was pretty much identical to how Peter David had been writing him for the preceding (non-HoM) seven issues. - SoM 00:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

There was very little difference between the regular Hulk and the House of M Hulk other than being bald. I believe the 'snake' pattern on his body was not a tattoo, but a body painting. In this brief reality The Hulk was attempting to hold back world domination at the edge of Australia, protecting his adopted aboriginal tribe.--RedKnight 20:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Powers and abilities again

Added some more on his powers and abilities. Superhuman sense of smell; when the mindless Hulk and his three astral friends (Goblin and Guardian and Glow) are on a desert plant, he can sniff out water many miles away. In "Hulk: The End" by Peter David and Dale Keown, we see that he is able to digest as good as everything that is organic. And if I remember correctly, he is also living in a cave for many years where he "feeds" on radiation only. And as we see in his future adventure where he fights Maestro, the Maestro has increased his powers by absorbing radiation. See astralbodies; while Dr. Stranges astralbody is invisible for everyone else, Hulk can see it. (He also have some other strange psychic powers it seems. In a story drawn by Herb Trimpe, Hulk enters a whole city in a desert where he meets a girl in a wheel chair that speaks to him. It all turns out the town is not real. He is also said to be able to find back to the desert where he was "born", not matter where he is in the world). Depending on his personalities/incarnations, his body is morphing into different sizes, colors and shapes. And his intelligence, powers and behavior is also changing depening on the incarnation. Also such thing as a splint in his brain can affect his color and powers. In one story he is transforming himself into a young version of the Maestro by will power alone. How strong his morphing abilities are, I guess no one has ever found out yet. Maybe is Hulk's body even able to develope and evolve over time to adapt to different challenges in the environment. While evolution in other organisms only happens through many generations and natural selection, the evolution in the Hulk seems to work here and now (the gland that makes an "oxygenated perfluorocarbon emulsion", making it possible for him to breath under water). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hipporoo (talk • contribs) 18:50, 4 April 2006

The ability to digest anything organic isn't exactly canon because "The End" series is simply another possible alternate reality/timeline. Also, this morphing ability really isn't a superhuman power. The Hulk isn't nor has he ever been classified as any kind of shapeshifter. What issues did these stories take place, notably the one involving a heightened sense of smell? I haven't heard that before so it must be pretty obscure. It might be one of these obscure powers that some characters demonstrate that has only been used a very small number of times and hasn't been seen or used in many years. Odin's Beard

Well, even if "The End" is an alternative future, the Hulk is still the same, even if he is much older. So it would be logic to assume the present Hulk also is able to eat almost everything. The story when Hulk is able to sniff out water happened in issue 309 I think. When I said morphing I didn't mean a real shapeshifter, but that he has the potential to transform himself into numerous versions of himself, each different in body, size, color, powers, intelligence and personality. There is maybe a name for this ability, but in the lack of it I just called it morphing. In issue 438 he turns himself into a young version of Maestro by will power alone. It is also in this story line where his skin color and size changes because of a damage in his brain. http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/incarnations/shrapnel.html (By the way, I see that I might was a little tired when I first added some more about his power since his ability to see astral bodies and find back to the desert are already mentioned.)

Clarified a statement made concerning Peter David's last Hulk story in which he depicted the Hulk having spontaineously grown oxygen difusing membranes in his lungs in order to breathe water. Added that in 40 years of continuity he has never demonstrated this before when being underwater (having instead merely held his breath) and that the story takes place in a quasi-real "dreamworld" created by Nightmare. --Dol1701 18:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)Dol1701

I've removed that section completely for being speculative. As you point out, it is a dreamworld thing unsupported by 40 years of continuity. Additionally, with regard to your recent edit summary, no one used your signature without your permission: You added it yourself in your previous edit. --Chris Griswold 21:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Um, no, I didn't add that myself. My first insertion on this discussion page was my last one (i.e. the one you just responded to which began with "Clarified a statement..."). It is the first paragraph in this section which I am referring to. It was attributed to me and I didn't write that. --Dol1701 22:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)Dol1701

You might want to take another look.[1] --Chris Griswold 00:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I apologize. I attributed the comment to you as you had added the signature in an inexplicable place. I assumed you had added that comment so I moved the signature you had placed to reflect that. Anyway, I have since attributed it to the correct editor after a bit of searching. Again, I apologize. --Newt ΨΦ 01:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

No worries, Newt. And Chris, I'm pretty confident that I know what I write and what I don't write. --Dol1701 01:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)Dol1701

The ability to asorb and emit radiation and energy, as well as some degree of energy manipulation, should be included among his powers. Also, what about his sonic clap? This has been used on more than one occasion.69.235.89.184 03:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)James Lopez

If he does have the ability to absorb and emit various types of radiaton or energy, then it's a power and should be included. However, as far as the clap, popularly referred to as a Thunderclap among fans, that's not really a power. Any of us can clap our hands together but it's the great amount of force generated by his strength when he claps his hands together that causes devestation. Odin's Beard 18:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Future evolution of the Hulk

Like mentioned above, because of the transformation powers, Banner are able to create new personalities with different powers and properties. And by practicing yoga and mediation, he has managed to gain a measure of control over the Hulk. But what if he got the ability to control his transformation powers? He could construct a new incarnation through visualizing meditation, much in the same way a giftet writer when writing a book can make up a new character with its own strength and personality. Then he could concentrate in how to transform himself into this new incarnation. And this incarnation itself could keep on evolving and developing himself in the same manner till the point where he might would become a creature with godlike powers and mind. (A related phenomena can be seen in Swamp Thing, when the Swamp Thing is using his powers to built an enormous organic computer that is directly connected to his brain.) Banner could even decide to create a new incarnation that was far superiour to him when it comes to intelligence, or a Bruce Banner with normal skin color but who is stronger that an average human. But only if he learn how to control this part of his powers. For the moment, this is only controlled by his subconscious mind.

What is Dr. Banner's first name?

The wikipedia article mentions "Dr. Bruce Banner" and "Robert Bruce Banner", and names his father "Brian Banner".

However, some people seem to remember that his father is named "David Banner", and notes that in the television series, the doctor himself (Hulk's alter ego) is named "Dr. David Bruce Banner".

I'm sure there's a perfectly rational explanation we could retcon in here.

Very simple - he was originally simply "Bruce Banner." Stan Lee's notoriously... porous... memory meant a few stories had him as "Bob Banner", and his name was later made officially "Robert Bruce Banner" to account for this. Later, his father was revealed to be called "Brian Banner". End story as far as the comics go.

In the Hulk live-action TV series, the producers didn't like the name "Bruce", so they changed his name to "David Banner".

In the Hulk movie, they called his father "David Banner" as a homage to the TV series. - SoM 19:23, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

"The Amazing Colossal Man" and Hulk comparrisions

"The Amazing Colossal Man" (1957), has Glen Langan, as Lt. Col Glen Manning. He's is in a trench, with his troops, awaiting the detonation of an above ground atomic bomb test, (a frequent event in the 1950s). A plane, (flying near a nuclear weapon test site?), crashes near the bomb's location. Without a thought of his own safety, Lt. Col. Manning leaves his trench to help the people inside the plane. The bomb goes off, the plane is destroyed, and Lt. Col. Manning, exposed to the effects of the bomb, becomes "The Amazing Colossal Man" and grows very tall. He runs amok in Las Vegas, (similar to the later film; "Honey I Blew up the Kid"). In the 1962 comic book, Dr., (David Robert), Bruce Banner is in a bunker awaiting the first test of a gamma bomb. Teenager Rick Jones on a dare, drives into the test site, (passing all the security guards in the process), and parks his car near the bomb's location. Without any thought of his own safety, Dr. Banner grabs Rick Jones from the car, throws him into a nearby trench and is exposed the effects of the gamma bomb explosion. Dr. Banner then becomes the, ("not very jolly" green giant); "The Incredible Hulk". Of course, there are probably many works of fiction that inspired the Hulk; "Frankenstein", "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde", and a lot of 1950s monster movies that had atomic radiation in them. It just seems to me there are more than a few simularities between "The Amazing Colossal Man" (1957), and "The Incredible Hulk" (1962).204.80.61.10 18:15, 18 April 2006 (UTC)Bennett Turk

Dude, try to get your thoughts down the first time. You've edited this paragraph eight times. Either add new comments or check your facts before you write them the first time. --Chris Griswold 18:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Just like Superman

While Superman increases his strenght by being exposed to the yellow sun, Hulk gets stronger when exposed to radiation (and by being mad). But Hulk is also changing because of this, absorbing all the radiation made Maestro even more insane, and the early green Hulk was changed bacause of exposure to more solar energy (even if this didn't seem to affect the grey Hulk). Just wonder what kind of effect even more radiation would have on him. (And by the way, what kind of trade paperbacks are available? My favorite writers are Len Wein, Bill Mantlo, Roger Stern og Peter David.)

Nuclear Physicist

I am not sure I have ever actually heard this description given for Banner's background; it's always been physicist or something having to do with gamma radiation. To be honest, I don't know much about physics, so is "nuclear physicist" then the correct terminology for his career? --Chris Griswold 03:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes. --Darin Wagner 11:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Do you know of a comic book that states this? It would be great to have a citation. --Chris Griswold 19:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Nuclear physicists design nuclear bombs, ergo Banner is a nuclear physicist just as Robert Oppenheimer (the real-world inspiration for the Hulk's alter ego) was. He has been described as such throughout course of the Hulk's publication history, despite initially being described more blandly as a "nuclear scientist." If you absolutely NEED an example of him being described as one from me, you are going to have to wait. My Hulk comics are mostly in storage and it will take a while to locate an example to satisfy you. --Darin Wagner 02:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Edited to add that Marvel Comics, the owners of the Hulk intellectual property, describe Banner as having a degree in Nuclear Physics... which would kinda make him a nuclear physicist. This isn't what you asked for, but it's nonetheless further proof that he is one. http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hulk --Darin Wagner 03:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe you, but I should caution you that the Marvel wiki should be taken with a grain of salt; I can go change that entry right now and then re-cite it back to you. --Chris Griswold 03:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

As per the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Deluxe Edition #5, 1985, Bruce Banner's occupation is "nuclear physicist". He is alternately referred to as an "atomic scientist" and "a genius at nuclear physics". Did you want this cited in the opening paragraph or in the Publication History section? --GentlemanGhost 03:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Didn't notice that the page on the Hulk at the Marvel site was a wiki, so I'll retract that. --Darin Wagner 11:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for taking this so seriously, guys, but I was really just curious about it. I am glad it is in the article, though. --Chris Griswold 11:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Main image edit war?

There seems to be a lot of reverting of the main image by two or more opposing parties. Instead of fruitlessly editing over each other's work and calling each other "vandals," let's discuss which image best represents today's Hulk. Kaijan 23:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Today's Hulk doesn't look like either of those pictures. A more appropriate picture for reflecting the Hulk as he is today needs to come from the Planet Hulk storyline, because he has a different appearance. --Chris Griswold 18:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, since the "ClassicHulk" image had (a) no source and (b) a false licence delaration... [Oh, and I think it's from the OHOTMU - if so, see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/copyright#Images_which_cannot_be_.22fair_use.22 - SoM 19:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with ChrisGriswold. This is a much better picture than two previous.

I didn't realize that images from the Handbook aren't allowed; I figured, it's a panel from a comic book. I added the "classic" Hulk because I despise the musclebound bodybuilder that the Hulk has become, but it seems I'm alone in that. Even if I'm not, I'd have to find a classic Hulk image that isn't from the Handbook, and wouldn't violate Fair Use. I'd rather the image that's up now, though, than DrBat's favourite, just for a change. (That was part of the reason I uploaded mine.) Biff Loman 11:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that since the Planet Hulk storyline isnt going to last much longer than 12 imonths anyway, the Hulk's main image should reflect his most common attire from the 60's to today... which would mean the green version in torn purple pants. As was said below, someone unfamiliar with the Hulk might look at the main pic and think he uses armor all of the time.--Darin Wagner 18:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)Darin Wagner

Obviously, this version of the Hulk lasted longer than 12 months and Marvel has even changed their own image to the War Hulk on their website. --Kontar 06:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Main image: Planet Hulk?

I think we should reflect the current appearance of the Hulk, using the panel from the end of Incredible Hulk #95. Does anyone disagree? Besides Spidey1550 (talk · contribs), of course, who is sure to change the image no matter what we decide. --Chris Griswold 08:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I think his main portrait should be the most common version of him from the last 40 years and not a version so closely associated with a single storyline, even if it is the current one. Someone who is unfamiliar with the Hulk might get the impression that he runs around in that Conan-esque armor all the time. It's not like he's going to stay on Planet Hulk forever.

I disagree, too, for the same reason Iron Spidey isn't the picture on Spider-Man. Seems to go against the WP:COMIC editorial guidelines, no? --Newt ΨΦ 01:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

At the time I said that, "current look" was the consensus of a number of image disputes, so much so that I took it to be policy. I don't really have a strong opinion on it myself. Although I am proud of the editing I did on the Planet Hulk image I uploaded for the article. Maybe we can add it to the Planet Hulk section. --Chris Griswold 03:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

See Talk:Hulk - SoM 17:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Gamma entity

I notice that nothing is mentioned about the strange forice of whatever it was that was loaded with gamma radiation. Maybe there is an answear to it in the comic books that I have missed, but so far I havn't been able to find it. When Banner was studying some strange radioactive storm in his observatorium, a warrier from the future was transported to him. Later both the warrier and Banner (in the body of the Hulk) was transported to the future, and when the warrier died, Hulk was returned to the present. All this happend by using gamma radioation, sent from the radioactive storm in the atmosphere. At a later point Reed Richards and Banner was studying it together, and then Reed (or Banner) said it looked like it could feel they were observing it, and a new explosion caused by a gamma ray from it occured. Was any explanation ever given and the connection it had with Hulk?

Planet Hulk Merge

This article breaks the plot down by issue, which is unreasonable. (See: WP:CMC Editorial Guidelines) The article should be condensed and placed into the context of the Hulk article, which certainly can use the information. --Chris Griswold 13:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Survey

• Merge --Chris Griswold 13:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge --Newt ΨΦ 16:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge --InShaneee 17:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose --Bowie60 14 July
• Merge --CovenantD 05:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
• No Merge --Jamdav86 12:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge --GentlemanGhost 03:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Decision closed with decision to merge. --Chris Griswold 08:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

• Totally unreasonable. Issue by issue synopses with little or no sourced analysis are against Wikipedia policy and not fair use. --Newt ΨΦ 16:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• I'll admit when I first sat down to create this article, I was not aware of the prohibition against plot summarizing and annotating. I just wish that one of you would have pointed this out to me 4 months ago. I suppose that I would be glad to abandon this particular project until the storyline is finished and summarize the thing, but I feel that it should be a stand alone article with a brief summary in the Hulk page and a link. I feel that if you were to include heavy-duty detailed summaries of every major storyline in a single page, that article would be far to unweildy and tedious to read. If I get outvoted, fine. I just think that a brief blurb in the Hulk page and a link to a more detailed Planet Hulk page is the way to go. --Bowie60 14 July 2006
  • If I had known the article existed 4 months ago, and known what I know now 4 months ago, well I would have probably told you then. Brief summaries are okay, but not as stand-alone articles. This could be included as a stand alone article, I guess, but only if it's treated as a literary work, and thus contains more than just plot summary. See Watchmen for a good example of this. If not, it's just another story in the fictional life of the Hulk, and thus should be included in this article. While not a policy, a good guideline to use in dealing with fiction is Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction). Also, Wikipedia is not a democracy. While I can forget at times, and others do, too, we're not voting here, but rather trying to reach a consensus through discussion, which is why I tried to explain why I support the merge. --Newt ΨΦ 19:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Point taken. I will take a look at that Watchmen article like you suggest. Thanks. I'm still kind of new to all of this. To this point, I've only edited and added...Never started a whole new article of my own. Guess I just wanted it to be super-detailed and comprehensive. --Bowie60 14 July 2006
      • I'm new, too. I've created I believe two articles to date; one was merged (and I merged it), the other will be. --Newt ΨΦ 02:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Yeah, and I just got an article I created deleted because it's too nerdy and not encyclopedic enough; something I thought was awesome at the time, but with more Wikipedia experience, I feel is awesome and not right for this project. --Chris Griswold 03:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Mergeing into List of the Incredible Hulk comics would be reasonable as a list of the issues and a 1-sentence or so synopsis. It can also be summarised in a paragraph here. --Jamdav86 12:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Ultimate Hulk merge

Per WP:CMC editorial guidance, Ultimate character articles should be merged into the Marvel U. versions' articles. --Chris Griswold 08:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Merge --Chris Griswold 08:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)-
Weak Oppose -- only on the grounds that merging the articles without some massive editing will make the combined article close to 100KB. If article size is not an issue ATM, then I don't have a problem with the merge. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 11:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge -- All three articles currently under discussion for merging (Hulk (comics), Planet Hulk, and Ultimate Hulk) need some bold editing and trimming, and just because the current size of Hulk (comics) makes serious editors cringe and run away, doesn't mean that it should be split into these separate articles. --Newt ΨΦ 12:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Which do we attack first, Psyphics: Jean Grey or Hulk? I liked working on Young Avengers together; we can quickly condense either of these with two of us doing the work. --Chris Griswold 19:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd go with Hulk, unless there's similar resistance to merging outside articles that should be merged with Jean Grey. The problem is I don't know as much about Hulk or Jean Grey as I do about YA, though I'm guessing I might be able to tell from the multitudes of minutiae included in these articles what is important. All told, I don't have as much time right now to do too much of this, but I may later this weekend. --Newt ΨΦ 19:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Knowledge is not as essential as editing skill, which you have. I have just done the majority of the article, but my edits need to be gone over to make sure they're OK, and there's still more to do. --Chris Griswold 09:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Always more to do. I'll try to look over your edits when I can find the time. I usually only have the time for editing a heading or two. --Newt ΨΦ 12:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

• Merge Dr Archeville
• Merge My concerns about the size have been addressed for now. CovenantD 05:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge --Jamdav86 13:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge for consistency with other Marvel/Ultimate Marvel characters. --Chancemichaels 20:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels
• Agreed, Merge for consistency. --Switch 00:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• No merge--Brian Boru is awesome 17:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge --GentlemanGhost 03:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I think Ultimate Hulk does belong with the Hulk article but it is too long it needs to be trimmed downand then added./

Decision closed with decision to merge. --Chris Griswold 08:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

I can't support either of these merges while the main article is as lengthy as it currently is. Maybe after trimming... CovenantD 13:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Case in point (see above). --Newt ΨΦ 14:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, how about now? Now, you don't even get a size warning when editing. --Chris Griswold 04:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Though the decision is made, I protest it. The articles are both quite long, merging them is just going to make it harder to comprehend the difference between characters and make an article of insane length (taking into consideration the requests for other merges with the hulk article). Midusunknown 07:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

They won't be very long in a short amount of time. Soon they will be mere sections of one united article! Hurray! --Chris Griswold 08:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of this discussion, as I'd not visited this wiki page, until after the decision was made. Still, I'd like to voice my opinion against it: I dislike the idea of merging information on Ultimate universe characters under their mainstream Marvel counterparts without any seperate article for the Ultimate versions. The Ultimate comic books, unlike most "alternate universe" iterations, are ongoing series with characters that are ever more different from the mainstream versions. There's enough difference in information to justify seperate, if linked, wiki pages. If Lost can have its plethora of subpages, why can't Ultimate Hulk have a distinct page? Adam the Alien 06:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm late, too, but I totally don't approve. It doesn't make any sense, tv series have very often BIG pages for individual episodes(the example of Lost being the most notable), I can't understand why comic book carachters can't have a page for a DIFFERENT carachter in a DIFFERENT universe. And not only it's pure schizophrenia in general, but also in the ultimate case in particular. Ultimate Nick Fury and other big carachters from the UU have their individual pages, why some do and some don't? It wouldn't even make any sense that tv series have individual episode pages and here we can't even a page(and it was a good one that you reduced to just a few lines...keep up the good work) for an at-least-one-year-long event(Planet Hulk) wich is FUNDAMENTAL for the next summer big blockbuster event(World War Hulk...it wil have page, right?)...but still...admvenom

We merged Planet Hulk as well. As for the other Ultimate characters, they just haven't been merged yet.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Heavy lifting

I've finished editing for the night. I have moved two sectios that can possibly be re-organized and re-integrated to Talk:Hulk (comics)/bio and Talk:Hulk (comics)/incarnations. The powers and abilities and media sections need to be edited.

Can anyone fill in the years between the early `60s and the Peter David run? That is a huge gap. Thanks. --Chris Griswold 07:58, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Edited the powers and abilities section, pared it down quite a bit, but it could probably still be pared down further. --Newt ΨΦ 15:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Peter David

The article states that there's 1986 retcon that changes the history of Hulk to where he was grey from the beginning. Peter David's run started in 1986. I'm assuming these two are connected, but can we get a verification of that? --Newt ΨΦ 13:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm unsure of the storyline, but the comic book cover itself says "At last, the return of the Grey Hulk". David later introduced the Joe Fixit persona.

• Insofar as the reveal that Hulk had been gray at the beginning, it's not so much a retcon as a re-establishment of a forgotten fact. INCREDIBLE HULK #1 did feature a grey Hulk. After issues with coloring, it was decided to make Hulk green starting with issue 2. For a time then, all reprints of that first issue recolored the Hulk green. After re-reading the article, it only says that the Hulk was gray AT the beginning. Al Milgrom re-introduced the concept of the Grey Hulk in issue 324 back in 1986. Milgrom wrote Grey as surly and thuggish, which David ran with (starting in issue 328 and 330)and eventually crafted Joe Fixit from that mold.

• The storyline itself was the culmination of the seperation of Hulk and Banner, during which Bruce married Betty. They were seperated using a special "Nutrient Bath", created by Doc Samson. The then-mindless Hulk was going to be destroyed by SHIELD, until Samson interviened and freed him. After laying waste to much of the country, Hulk was tracked down and attacked by a gathering of the Marvel Heroes. Banner found himself weakening and dying because of the seperation, so the Vision remerged them. This merger was unstable and it was decided to put them back in the Nutrient Bath. After a series of grotesque transformations and arguments between Banner and Green Hulk, he was forced into the Bath. After immersion (and some interference from General Ross) the bath exploded, leaving the Grey Hulk. He only had time to say "Banner? I HATE Banner!" before becoming Bruce again. Rick Jones was caught in the explosion, and that directly led to his becoming the Rick-Hulk. The Grey Hulk re-emerged later to fight Rick.--Bowie60 15 July 2006

First image

Why is the first image one of the Hulk in the "Planet Hulk" storyline - surely better to have one that is closer to the "classic" version and use the Planet Hulk version in a section about that storyline?

--Charlesknight 11:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It was changed before there was an established or known concensus by WP:CMC editors to keep the SHB image the most recognizable look of the character. If you can provide a better image (preferably one that meets WP:CMC editorial guidelines) by all means do so. --Newt ΨΦ 13:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

--- I will have a dig around and see what I can find. --Charlesknight 14:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

--Now it's a picture of a kitten. Can't help feeling that ain't appropriate.

Dr. David Banner

Thought you might be interested to know about this recently-created article. --Dweller 10:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Totally unnecessary, given the article for The Incredible Hulk tv series. --Darin Wagner 11:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Strength Question

I was just wondering about something. When the Molecule Man dropped the mountain on top of the heroes during the Secret Wars crossover, couldn't the weight of the mountain, while falling, be even greater than 150 billion tons? I didn't really pay attention in science class when my teachers went over the parts discussing the concepts of gravity and mass and all that kind of stuff. It might not be of any real use as far as discussing the article, it's just something that popped into my head that I'm curious about. Odin's Beard 01:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The acceleration would make the force greater, yes. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 01:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Jarella

Could editors who know more about the character than I do edit Jarella and make it awesome? It's not terrible; it just needs more love. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Maestro (comics)- merge into Hulk (comics)

As Ultimate Hulk is already part of this article and we have an 'alternate version' heading, perhaps the Maestro entry here should be expanded a little and the Maestro (comics) article should be deleted? --Mrph 17:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Is this an official merge discussion? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

No, but I'm wondering if there should be an official merge discussion, though... --Mrph 02:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, now it's an official merge proposal - as noted below... --Mrph 20:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

As noted above, WP:CMC Editorial Guidelines states that wherever possible alternate versions should be included in the main article. On that basis, I propose that Maestro (comics) should be merged into this article. --Mrph 20:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Merge - --Mrph 20:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge - Go for it. The only information in Maestro is plot summary which is more than likely already contained in this article anyway. --Newt_ΨΦ 20:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Merge - I finally just did the Ultimate Hulk merge and I would be happy to help with this. You've provided good reason. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge - The Maestro only has a handful of appearances, hardly anything has been done with him over the past ten years or so anyway. All the necessary info about him can be summed up in his own section as part of the Hulk article. Odin's Beard 23:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Decision closed with decision to merge (and already merged by Puddhe 25 September 2006) - --Mrph 22:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

• It seems to be clearly within the merge guidelines. I can't see any particular reason to keep it separate, especially when Ultimate Hulk is already merged and the Maestro article is tagged for cleanup, so would need rewrite work anyway. --Mrph 20:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge complete?

Done, I think, but still a little longer than I'd like. If anyone happens to have the relevant Exiles issues and feels like condensing that section of the Maestro's history, that'd help. Failing that, I think we're about finished. The inclusion of the Captain Marvel / Starfox story is arguable, since it had no consequence for the Maestro, but I'd be inclined to keep it there for the moment. --Mrph 20:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Let's not be idiots, people

Who's the vandal who's peppered this section with citation tags? Do we really need to verify that "the Hulk is one of Marvel's most recognized characters"? What, are you afraid that people will mistake him with the ten thousand other green-skinned, musclebound monsters? I suppose you need a referenced source to explain that Superman can fly! 216.55.197.117 21:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

First of all, don't call editors idiots. Second, yes, we do need a citation on these claims. If we can't find such citations soon, I imagine the claims will be deleted. I don't have a pretty good imagination, though, so I am fairly sure they will be deleted. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 01:20, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, per WP:V, we would need some sort of citation for anything we say. --Newt_ΨΦ 03:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Substantiation is sorely needed for things like easily one of the physically strongest characters in the Marvel Universe. His strength is only surpassed by that of Superman sentence in the Powers & Abilities section. No references are cited and since Superman isn't a Marvel character, nothing outside of non-canon crossovers could be referenced.VanPelt101 01:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Ultimate Sins?

Does the first paragraph of "Ultimate Hulk" describing his amplified emotion in terms of deadly sins (wrath, sloth, lust, gluttony) strike anyone else as strange?--Fleecebeast 12:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Missing, please add

• Publication info from 1968-1986
• Character biography

--Jamdav86 19:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Devil Hulk

Paul Jenkins, who should know, calls it the Devil Hulk when interviewed. If it has actually been "renamed" as Rage Hulk or some such, is there a source to cite? --Mrph 21:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Aha. Has already been reverted, so never mind(?)... --Mrph 21:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Other versions - 1602?

Does anyone know the 1602: New World version of Hulk well enough to feel confident adding it to the page? It deserves a mention. --Mrph 21:55, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Father

This article should mention the Hulk's father, Brian Banner, as his abuse was instrumental in creating the mutiple personalities that have resulted in the existence of the Hulk.

Ultimate Hulk and adamantium

The sentence in dispute:

In this series, he is shown to tear Wolverine and his adamantium spine in half, the second demonstration of the Ultimate Hulk's ability to destroy the "indestructable" metal, after having broken the adamantium needle with which Captain America attempted to pierce him in the Ultimates Vol. 1. issue #5.

Since people seem to not be reading the edit summaries, I'll copy them here for people to comment on.

• 22:18, 21 November 2006 El benito (No bones had to be broken (see Vertebral column), so ultimate adamantium wasn't broken)
• 23:45, 21 November 2006 67.190.56.103(→Ultimate Hulk - Reverted back to previous edit. Last revision based upon personal conjecture, and not verified by source material.)
• 00:07, 22 November 2006 CovenantD (let's not ignore what a spine is - a series of vertebrae held together by ligaments, not one continuous column of bone and metal)
• 08:37, 22 November 2006 192.223.163.5 (→Ultimate Hulk - This is a comic book people. The purpose of Wolverine's adamantium skeleton is for it to be indestructible. Assumption is not verified.)
• 20:41, 23 November 2006 El benito (Talk | contribs) (Lack of spacing, Wikipedia is not for original research, shouldn't cross reference wiki articles via external links, content should be footnoted here, discussed in other articles) (emphais added)
• 12:47, 24 November 2006 192.223.163.5 (restored vandalized content)
• 16:51, 24 November 2006 CovenantD (→Ultimate Hulk - content dispute is not vandalism, and there's debate about the "indestructibility" of Ult. adamantium. It is your claims that are unsupported)
• 17:53, 24 November 2006 67.190.56.103 (→Ultimate Hulk - The claims of the previous editor were supported by source material- CovD is vandalizing - I suggest CovD take it to the talk page instead of deleting verified material.)
• 18:05, 24 November 2006 Kontar (→Ultimate Hulk - Completed last editor's reference. I agree with the last editor. Covenant D is vandalizing. He needs to read the issues. Please use the discussion page for disputes.)

Kontar and the two anonymous IPs need to read up on what vandalism is and is not - "Vandalism is any addition, deletion, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia." Don't mistake content dispute for vandalism.

The point here is that it is an assumption that Wolverine's spine is constructed as a single piece of adamantium. Logic and medical knowledge would dictate this is not so; adamantium would not be able to bend in any way, shape or form so Wolvie would be mobility-impaired with a column of metal for a spine, healing factor or not. The most likely answer is that the writers of the comic used their knowledge of anatomy to provide a way for Wolvie to be ripped in half. Unless your positing that Ultimate adamantium is flexible? CovenantD 01:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Logic doesn't have to apply in comic books. More often than not, it doesn't. It's hard to argue logic when every single law of nature is broken as consistently as it is in comic books. Exactly what happened to cause Wolverine to be ripped in half, logic is on your side. You and I might feel that's what happened. In truth, it might be what a majority believe happened. However, until or unless Marvel confirms it, then it's opinion and speculation. This is a hot topic, one that's still heatedly debated and we're flying blind since Marvel hasn't said anything on the subject one way or the other. The sentence can be altered to the point that the incident involving the adamantium needle can be included. However, stating any given reason as to how or why Wolverine was ripped in half at this point is speculation. We don't know if the adamantium was damaged or broken or whether it was connective tissue that was torn. The way the sentence is worded makes it appear as though the known fact is that the adamantium was damaged and that's just not true. Odin's Beard 02:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I realize that logic and science are not always the best guide to dealing with comics - E does not equal MC². On the other hand, we can't completely dismiss it either. When it is the cause of controversy, we should err on the side of caution. That means we DON'T assume that Hulk ripped a column of adamantium in half, which is exactly what the editors in question are concluding. It is that assumption on the part of multiple editors that I contest. CovenantD 04:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the vandalism label may have been misused, however the point still stands. CovD cannot simply remove content because he does not agree with it. Odin's Beard is correct. The bottom-line is Marvel not editors of Wikipedia. So far, the evidence points to the spine being broken, as the Ultimate Hulk has ALREADY demonstrated that he can brake adamantium, and as was written, the purpose for Wolvie's spine to be adamantium was to make it unbreakable. Until Marvel says otherwise, the dispute needs to end. The current edit is a great literary compromise. Hopefully it won't be arbitrarily deleted.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.56.103 (talk • contribs)

It was never arbitrarily deleted. It was deleted, with edit summaries explaining why, because it was speculation and conjecture. CovenantD 04:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Great edit, Odin's Beard. Accurate and respectful of all points of view.

Only the bone in Wolverine's body was coated in adamantium; the ligaments, etc. remain. This has been part of the character's information for a very long time. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that the problem that we're having here is not an Ultimate Hulk issue, it's an Ultimate Adamantium issue and should be dealt with in the ultimate adamantium article. The asides are detracting from the worth of this article. Altering the verbiage to respect multiple viewpoints was a good idea, but in the end it bloats the entry to its own detriment. The acts in question occurred in storylines as a way of emphasizing the core Hulk trait of incomprehensible strength. These gestures strengthened the concept of the Ultimate Hulk as strong. Unfortunately, this editorial fiat undermined the core concept of adamantium as being infinitely durable. The hardcore reader walks away with his relationship with this fictional continuity undermined, because he knows adamantium is supposed to never be broken, but the more casual reader is not bothered because Hulk still means strong. We're debating this because we love our comics and have enjoyed the continuity where adamantium is the unmovable object for Hulk's unstoppable force. Ultimate Hulk's fine, it's the adamantium concept that broke, and that's why we need to move this discussion to the adamantium article. You can undo the edit, but first you have to ask yourself "How am I improving this article? Does this digression make it more encyclopediac?" -- El benito 06:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

GREAT POINTS El Benito! I would maintain that although you are correct on all points, this is a Ulimate Hulk uniqueness that warrants highlighting in the Marvel Universe, at least until Marvel eventually explains it away to satisfy the Hardcore fans. It should remain on the page, as it is a relevant distinction between the "regular Hulk" and the "Ultimate Hulk."

In Marvel Zombies, Wolverine's arm is destroyed, and because he can't heal, the adamantium falls out. He laments his lack of "adamantium tendons" to hold his bones together. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Marvel Zombies is a different continuity and character list. It has no bearing on the Ultimate Marvel Universe. Nice try.

Invulnerability vs. Durability

Wow, edit wars are fun and prove a point! Wouldn't you guys rather have some kind of official dispute resolution, or would you rather just keep reverting this article 'til kingdom come?

It might seem like a trivial matter on the surface, maybe it is in some ways, but I'd like to see some sort of resolution come on this subject. Similar edit wars have happened over this same subject concerning a number of other articles. According to Dictionary.com, invulnerable has three meanings: 1. "Incapable of being wounded, hurt, or damaged". 2. "Proof against or immune to attack". 3. "Not open to disproof or denial".

The two definitions of invulnerable listed in the American Heritage Dictionary's read similarly to the first two definitions of invulnerable provided by Dictionary.com: 1. "Immune to attack; impregnable". and 2. "Impossible to damage, injure, or wound". Going by these definitions, invulnerability really doesn't apply anymore, even in comic books since there are instances of even the most "invulnerable" comic book characters being injured or even killed.

The definitions of durable provided by Dictionary.com read: "Able to resist wear, decay, etc., well; lasting; enduring". The definitions provided by the American Heritage Dictionary read: 1. Capable of withstanding wear, tear, and decay." 2. "Able to perform or compete over a long period, as by avoiding or overcoming injuries". 3. "Lasting; stable". 4. "Econimics. Not depleted or consumed by use".

Durability, in the case of comics, would apply more closely with the definition of Dictionary.com and the first two of the American Heritage Dictionary. Referring to a character as being superhumanly durable suggests that he or she is more resistant to damange than an ordinary human, maybe even vastly more resistant, but yet there's always a possibility of the character being capable of being injured. By invulnerable's very definition, and applying it to a comic book character, an invulnerable comic book character is one that's totally immune to injury of any kind. Odin's Beard 00:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

What about Superman? His skin can't be pierced, as such, he has a invulnerability, still, he himself can be hurt by other powerful forces.

Invulnerable is a word that gets tossed around a lot in comic books, much like omnipotence, by numerous comic book writers without considering the actual meanins behind the terms. By definition in and of itself, applying the term invulnerable to a character is stating that the character cannot be harmed by anything at all, no matter the power or force. And, going by definition, it doesn't apply even to comic book characters. Even the most "godlike" characters like Galactus, Eternity, and the Celestials have all been injured. So, technically speaking, if a character can be injured, even if the forces required to do so are beyond human understanding, then he/she/it isn't invulnerable. Labeling a character as being superhumanly durable is far more accurate. It entails that while a character is tougher, maybe to an extraordinary degree, than human, there is always the chance of he/she/it sustaining injury. Odin's Beard 02:24, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, how about we settle for nigh-invulnerable? It's accurate and an inside joke ;) ----- El benito 05:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I move that we use "bi-curious". --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

snickers Did you see that one Twisted Toyfare Theatre with Hulk, Betty and Bi-Beast? -- El benito 19:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Nigh-Invulnerability sounds good to me DCincarnate

Thing is, due to the near-constant evolution of writers who write the Hulk's adventures, his durability level has never been constant over the years. For a long time, he was simply invulnerable to injury. General Ross would unveil a new particle cannon or whatever and he'd use it on the Hulk and when the smoke cleared, the thing only had the effect of knocking the wind out of the Hulk. When Peter David took over, however, the idea of a Wolverine-like healing power was emphasized instead... probably in order to add more suspense and put the Hulk into slightly more "perilous" predicaments. (Case in point, the U-Foes leader Vector often used his repulsing powers on the Hulk to which the Hulk largely withstood. However, under Peter David's pen, Vector was able to blast most of the flesh off of the Hulk's skeleton, which the Hulk soon healed from. This rather drastic difference in that power's effect on the Hulk did not come with a corresponding explanation, it was simply how Peter David believed things should be at the time he was writing the Hulk.) I'd say, given the totality of the character's publishing history, it would be most accurate to state that his level of durability fluctuates between "highly durable" to "seemingly impervious." That's my take. Darin Wagner 17:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

But that's the thing, we should pick something to label the character that can reflect the character's resistance to harm effectively over the course of his existence. Problem I have with nigh-invulnerable is that invulnerable is still in there. It's suggesting that the character is nigh-impossible to hurt. Aside from the definition of invulnerable not really applying, labeling a character as being superhumanly durable is far more vague than labeling a character invulnerable or even nigh-invulnerable. Keeping some things vague seems to be a preferred way to do things on Wikipedia. For instance, we leave out OHOTMU stats when writing up a character's powers. I know it's also due to copyright and all that as well. We mention a character's powers, like if he/she has superhuman strength and durability, but we leave out exactly what the limits of his/her strength is or how much force is required or how how hot or cold it's gotta be before his/her skin is irritated and all that. But, I'll go along with a majority, if there is one. Odin's Beard 00:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

It would seem, then, that if you want to label his durability as something that encompasses his entire existence as a character so far, then my suggestion of "highly durable to seemingly impervious" would work. Examples could be cited as to what the various limitations of his durability have been. Darin Wagner 01:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong with just labeling the Hulk as having superhuman durability and be done with it? It infers the obvious, of him being highly durable, and leaves the limits of his durability, whatever they might be, undisclosed since writers themselves tinker with it to suit particular situations. His durability, like his strength and healing, increases as he becomes angrier. However, there's no evidence to suggest that he could achieve a level of superhuman durability that would render him completely immune to harm. That would put him even above most of the great cosmic "gods" of the Marvel Universe. So, thinking about it, labeling him as being superhumanly durable would fairly cover his entire existence. He's always been superhumanly resistant to injury but he's never been completely immune to injury. It's simple, straight forward, and conveys the point. Odin's Beard 03:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Concur with Odin's Beard. --Tenebrae 16:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

It is, however, not as descriptive. Darin Wagner 16:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not supposed to be as descriptive, but it's more accurate. It leaves the limits of his durability open since the limits of his durability are expanded by various comic book writers to suit whatever situation they decide to put him in. Originally, he wasn't exactly written with accelerated healing powers but was eventually given them. In the older versions of the OHOTMU, his durability is classified as not being able to withstand a direct nuclear blast and some writers came along and put placed him situations where he has done just that. Odin's Beard 00:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

It's actually more accurate, then, to go with my suggestion of describing the Hulk as ""highly durable to seemingly impervious." Just saying he has "superhuman durability" is not descriptive enough (and in this case not accurate enough as a result) and does not convey the magnitude of what the character has been capable of withstanding and enduring. Spider-Man can be said to have "superhuman durability" as well, but I wouldn't use the same term to describe them. Darin Wagner 00:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

A little late to the party but I felt I needed to throw my two cents in. One of the points of the hero box is to give a summary of the powers. This includes being alittle vague. This is where the article comes in, to give a much more in depth description and accounts for examples.

If the user that is reading this article only has time to read the user box seeing Superhuman durability will still translate that the Hulk is tough to injure. If they want to know to what degree then they can read further. Adjectives in the hero box are subjective and lead to dissagrements similer to this. The article gives the chance for the reader to make his own conclusions.

The one thing everyone can agree on is that the Hulk is difficult to hurt. Which in turn can be described as being Superhumanly durable, i.e., harder to hurt than a normal human being. The statements about the fact that invunerability does not apply to any character is still valid and holds true that he can be harmed.

Plus for the sake of conformity it should state that he has Superhuman durability. Thefro552 03:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hulk 2099

does anyone think it's ok to merge Hulk 2099 into this articleGman124 19:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• No merge - a completely seperate character with numerous signiciant and singular appearances completly outside of the traditional Hulk community. While a mention of Hulk 2099 on the Hulk page would be helpful to point to the relation of the characters, Hulk 2099 is distinctive enough to merit his own page. 66.109.248.114 02:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge: The character is a minor alternate version that had very little impact when compared to alternates like the Maestro and the Ultimate Hulk. Everything about the character can be summed up in his own section that'd be no larger than the other alternate versions, maybe even smaller. Odin's Beard 02:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge: I think this should be mergedGman124 22:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

No Merge I change my mind, I'm going with no mergeGman124 00:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

No Merge: Viewed as an alternate version of Hulk, WP:CMC guidelines would suggest that this is merged. However, Hulk 2099 also had an ongoing series of his own, even if it wasn't a very successful one, and on those grounds I think it does probably justify an article centred on the series (on similar grounds, Ultimate Iron Man currently gets its own article, whereas Ultimate Wolverine doesn't). --Mrph 22:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

No Merge: The Hulk article is large enough as is, and Hulk 2099 is a separate character with the same name, not an alternate version. Brad T. Cordeiro 22:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

No Merge: Not Bruce Banner, had his own ongoing series, and Hulk article is getting bloated with alternate versions. -- El benito 02:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

No Mergey: Hulk article can't take addition of 2099 stuff. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 04:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

No Merge: As has been said, it wasn't really an alternate version of the character but a separate character altogether (albeit in a "possible future timeline") with his own series. Maestro1ca 20:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Discussion closed - NO MERGE --Mrph 21:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection?

It's probably too strong an option, but since the Hulk article seems to be getting nothing but crap lately from anonymous edits via various IPs, should this page get semi-protected? We've seen multiple erasures from one IP, a constant re-insertion of "near" to the "ground zero" by multiple IPs, and some other dreck. I'm not sure what the criteria are for an admin's decision, so I'm tossing this out there for discussion -- El benito 03:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it's probably a bit excessive to do at this point, however I think you've brought up a good point. There are editors, most are anonymous, but not all, that edit articles in order to suit their personal opinions and interpretations of characters rather than posting the information from a neutral point of view. For some, reminding them of Wikipedia policy does no good as they just ignore it. The constant re-insertion of "near" reguarding the info of the Hulk surviving a nuclear blast is a nuisance because it's not accurate. Those that keep re-inserting it know this due to edit summaries, but simply don't care. Odin's Beard 15:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Support I agree that IPs should be blocked from editing this page because they have vandalized alotUDHSS 18:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I just looked at the history; it's really not that bad, compared to Superman and Batman. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Hulk's Fictional character biography

Why is there no Fictional character biography for Hulk? All the other characters include their bio. There's only one paragraphGman124 23:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

...which has just been deleted. I'd say that it needs to be restored (as per WP:CMC/X, it should be there) - but either it needs to be expanded or some of the current information needs to move under that heading? --Mrph 09:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Rampaging Hulk

Nothing is mentioned about the Marvel magazine-format series "Rampaging Hulk" (at its end retitled "The Hulk!" I think). Also 20+ years of pre-Peter David stories of the Hulk are generally given the short end of the stick here. Sure his work revitalized the character, but this reads like a "Star Trek" article written by people who've only seen "The Next Generation" STFmaryville 00:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Mindless Hulk

It has been suggested that Mindless Hulk be merged into this article. --69.136.111.100 04:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

good Idea. Let's get it done soon. ThuranX 04:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm listing this as a merge proposal on WP:CMC/NB, which should get things rolling... --Mrph 21:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Umm...

Survey

• Merge --Mrph 21:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge - Not notable enough for own article. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

• No reason I can see why Mindless Hulk should have an article of its own, especially when consensus was that other versions such as The Maestro should be merged into this article. --Mrph 21:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• I have merged in what I think is msot improtant from the Mindless Hulk article, so feel free to add on.TheGreenFaerae 04:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
• Thanks for the Merge GreenFaerae. --69.136.111.100 19:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Genis-vell

Not to be rude or anything but what does a time traviling Genis-vell realy have to do with anything? this page keeps showing up on my searches and I'm kind of confused. (I'm new.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.235.203.41 (talk • contribs) 25 February 2007

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SOMEONE NEEDS TO COME IN HERE AND UPDATE THIS PAGE LIKE THE IRON MAN AND SPIDEY PAGES. THIS GIVES US A GOOD RUN DOWN OF THE HULK'S MANY PERSONALITIES AND HIS HISTORY IN COMICS, BUT ITS HARD TO FIND ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HE'S DOING IN COMICS. WHERE'S THE SUMMARY OF PLANET HULK AND HIS OTHER ADVENTURES?