Talk:Humphrey Edwards

copyleft problems

I have deleted and recreated this article as a stub.

This is because Wikipedia Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License allows commercial distribution, but the current licence used by the British Civil War website is Attribution-Non-Commercial-Share Alike 3.0 Unported, which places a restriction "Non-Commercial — You may not use this work for commercial purposes." which the Wikipedia license does not.

Providing the requirements of the Terms of Use and WP:plagiarism are met there is no reason why information from the British Civil War website can not be summarised and and cited like any other copyright text. But it can not be copied under its copyleft licence into Wikipedia articles because its licence is more restrictive than the Wikipedia licence. --PBS (talk) 16:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Questionable Birth Date

Edwardes' birth year was not given in his sketch in the original Dictionary of National Biography. I question 1582 as the given year as it would have made him in his thirties when he was admitted to Shrewsbury School in 1615 (assuming that year is no error).Cloptonson (talk) 05:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

The date comes from the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (ODNB) Not the 100 years old DNB. The ONDB starts:

Edwards, Humphrey (1582–1658), politician and regicide, was a younger son of Thomas Edwards (d. 1635) of Shrewsbury and Anne, daughter of Humphrey Baskerville, alderman of London, and widow of Stephen Duckett. He was admitted to Shrewsbury School in 1615, and to Gray's Inn in 1633,...

The ONDB does not footnote its sources but gives them as endnotes. I think the relevant ones are "R. Tresswell and A. Vincent, The visitation of Shropshire, taken in the year 1623, ed. G. Grazebrook and J. P. Rylands, 2 vols., Harleian Society, 28–9 (1889) · E. Calvert, ed.,Shrewsbury School regestum scholarium, 1562–1635: admittances and readmittances [1892] ·

So I guess that the thing to do is to send the ONDB an email. I have done so in the past and they are happy to pass the comments on to the reviewer/author. As for this page we can either leave it as it is, remove the date, or find an alternative authoritative source to back up the ODNB unfortunately the obvious source http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/members-1640-1660 is not yet available. -- PBS (talk)

Thank you. I have emailed the ODNB to draw attention to the apparent anomaly.Cloptonson (talk) 15:34, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I have received reply from Philip Carter, of the ODNB, the details of which speak for themselves but it concedes the 1582 date to be inaccurate:

I was in touch last week concerning the Oxford DNB entry for Humphrey Edwards. Since then I have checked the published registers for Shrewsbury School and Gray’s Inn, both of which identify a Humphrey Edwards admitted on the dates given in the article – the latter referring to his father as Thomas Edwards of Shrewsbury.

I have also spoken to the editors at the History of Parliament who have recently researched Edwards’s life for their forthcoming survey of the Commons, 1640-1660. They confirm that they are treating the 1615 and 1633 dates as accurate and note: ‘There is nothing automatically odd in this: at this period people were admitted late to the inns in an honorary capacity, sometimes in batches - especially those who had court connections.’

However, the proposed ODNB birth date of 1582 is clearly a mistake. The parish register for St Mary the Virgin, Calne, Wiltshire, note that his parents were married in 1592; his father’s will (1635) identifies Humphrey as his eldest surviving son, though it appears older siblings died in infancy.

We will now amend the article to remove the birthdate and to include references to the parish register. A revised version of the article will be published as part of our next-but-one update, in May 2014.

On the strength of this admission, the birth year can be deleted.Cloptonson (talk) 20:03, 5 November 2013 (UTC)