Talk:Hung for the Holidays/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Вик Ретлхед (talk · contribs) 07:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

This article seems short and it shouldn't take me more than a couple of days to review it.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 07:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Review

• Intro

1. The prose isn't very well written. For example: The EP did not commercially fare as well as his previous album, and also received negative critical reviews→The EP wasn't commercially successful as his previous album and was panned by music critics.

• • Fixed 和DITOREtails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• Background and content

1. There should be a sentence or two about the recording process.

• •  Done Added recording locations. 和DITOREtails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

1. Hung for the Holidays was aided by singing lessons he was taking at the time.→Hung took singing lessons before the start of the recording sessions.

• •  Done 和DITOREtails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• Critical reception

1. The SputnikMusic review should be omitted because it is written by Meatplow (user).

• •  Done 和DITOREtails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

1. The review from The Trades doesn't appear to be written by notable critic. After a quick Google search, I haven't found any publication that uses reviews by Tony Pascarella.

• • True, but I think arguing that he's not a "notable critic" would be unnecessary here. It depends on the reliability and independence of the source, not the critic's notability. 和DITOREtails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

1. The AllMusic review is reliable and should stay.

• • Great. 和DITOREtails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• Track listing

1. The list doesn't have duration of the songs, nor contains the writer or composer.

• •  Done 和DITOREtails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

1. The list of personnel is missing.

• •  Done 和DITOREtails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

1. The overall duration of the record should be added to the info-box.

• •  Done 和DITOREtails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Final words: Honestly, I don't think this is a GA material. The article is too short and is missing some essential sections mentioned in the WP:MOS-ALBUM. I appreciate the effort, but this topic simply doesn't have the potential to be promoted to good article.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

• I fixed all the stuff you said above. However, I would like to make it clear that this is not a FAC and that Good articles honor good quality articles that are short, so saying that this article is "too short" would be unnecessary. I do thank you for doing the review, though, and I hope you do good when you review The Age of Plastic. 和DITOREtails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

If you're not satisfied with the review, we can ask for a second opinion. I'll ask the community if the review you mentioned could be used in the article. Cheers.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 14:16, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Another things to address

• at the Blue Jays-Rangers game in Toronto.
  •  Done 和DITOREtails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• Hung revealed that he would began→begin
  •  Done 和DITOREtails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• Hung for the Holidays received less commercial success than Inspiration.→It was commercially less successful than...
  •  Done 和DITOREtails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• "It was also the poorest selling Christmas album of all time." This looks like bias.
  • Removed it. But its from a reliable source. Right? 和DITOREtails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

No, it is not a reliable source. But regardless of its reliability, those kind of speculations have no place in encyclopedia.

• "Similar to Inspiration, critical reviews for the album were also negative." If other Wikipedians don't consider "The Trades" as reliable source, you'll have to remove this.
  •  Done 和DITOREtails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• The personnel should be split to "Additional musicians" and "Technical personnel", since there are many musicians.
  •  Done 和DITOREtails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• Here is the link to the discussion whether The Trades is reliable source.
  • Thanks for letting me know about this. 和DITOREtails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• Use another template for the tracking list because the current is not suitable. Use the second one from the list.
  •  Done 和DITOREtails 16:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• You shouldn't have used CD Universe as a reference because it's an online music seller. Neither the text is authorized.
  • Removed. 和DITOREtails 16:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• Place the references in appropriate templates.
  • What do you mean? 和DITOREtails 17:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Gave you an example how to do it with AllMusic.

•  Done 和DITOREtails 20:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

• Can you find actual link so I can check the information about the Howard Stern show?
  • It is a youtube link. You can watch it here, if your saying to just listen to it to see if the info is actually on the show. 和DITOREtails 20:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Never mind that.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Conclusion:I think this article needs a serious re-building to meet the GA criteria. As far as I noted, the prose is poorly written, it is not broad in its coverage, it contains trivia and basic grammatical errors. In its current state it is barely a C-class article, and far away for B. I am closing the review as failed.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.