Talk:Hurontario LRT

Brampton Vote

There have been edits removing the name "-Main" from the article. Please refrain from such edits until there is a verifiable source that indicates a name change. All other edits to remove reference to sections in downtown are legitimate, as there is verifiable sources quoting Metrolinx and the Minister of Transportation that the route would end at Steeles. --Natural R_X 14:04, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, for clarification: the Brampton vote was against allowing the LRT to go through heritage downtown. It will still cross the Brampton border and have 3.5 stops within it,and is therefore still a part of Brampton. --Natural R_X 02:10, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I have moved the article, as Metrolinx has now chopped the name. See http://www.metrolinx.com/en/projectsandprograms/transitexpansionprojects/hurontario_lrt.aspx. --Natural R_X 16:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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Updates Needed March 31 2019

This article has numerous statements which are no longer correct, or are out of date, or aren't especially relevant due to planning changes.

• the "History" section just had one sub-section "procurement"
• I don't see the relevance of the "preparation" section. How is a bus schedule relevant to the LRT? In what way is this preparation?

B: I think that section is showing how bus frequency was increased to increase ridership on the route in anticipation of rapid transit. It makes sense in the article but may be a bit too detailed as is.

• Is the issue of which train manufacturer decided or not?
• the route no longer goes to Nanwood, so information about Nanwood isn't super relevant
• the route no longer goes south of Port Credit go, so information about Port Street isn't current

B: Yeah, that can probably be removed or trimmed down, same with Nanwood.

• some statements don't have clear citations
• information about the "stub" isn't spelled out in the cited articles.

B: I disagree with you there. I think between the referenced Star article and the project website, the route alignment is clear. While The Star does not use the word stub, it clearly states that while the loop has been removed, the direct connection to City Centre/Square One Terminals (~600 m west of Hurontario) remains. I described this short section of track running perpendicular to the rest of the route as a spur (def: a railroad track that branches off from a main line). You're welcome to rephrase it if you'd like, but I believe it to be cited.

• Ditto new 403 bridges, underground Gateway terminals and so forth.
• the two most popular cites are dead links
  • which someone accidentally deleted?

B: I managed to fix those.

• some History is missing - I think planning started as early as 2008? The Port Credit section was cancelled, but is not mentioned, while the Brampton downtown cancellation gets a lot of air time. When the Ford government came in there was a bit of a cloud over the project.

B: While south of Port Credit was included in the study phase, it was never approved by city council, nor funded by the Province. Brampton Downtown was cancelled after being funded, so it was a bigger deal.

• Is it Gateway terminal or Shoppers World?

B: Brampton Gateway Terminal is the correct location.

• do we know who the operator is yet? or is that part of the contract design-build-operate?

B: Operator is part of the DBFOM.

• how is the project to be financed? Can we call it a P3?
• which streets will have left turns removed?
• did we mention lane reductions?
• how the heck do we know which side of the street the stops are on?Feldercarb (talk) 01:31, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

B: I remember seeing a very detailed schematic with station locations, I'll try and find it again so it can be cited.

Thanks for raising these questions, I'll reply to some of them inline. BLAIXX 23:24, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Operation of line

The intro says the line "will be built and operated by a consortium of European and Japanese companies." Claiming the line will actually be operated by such a consortium seems rather bogus, as I'd think Miway or at least Metrolinx actually would. Transportfan70 (talk) 01:26, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

The LRT has a single contract for "DBFOM" (Design Build Finance Operate Maintain).[1] I think Metrolinx also contracts out the operation of GO Train services, rather than operating it themselves. BLAIXX 14:24, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Out of Date

Many Points of the article including the fictional “underground” tunnel in Hurontario and Steeles and many names of streets North of Steeles (Ex. Nanwood) still being present. The Only underground station is at Port Credit GO. (Another Point, Main Street is only 2 lanes long between Nanwood and Vodden, I doubt “low ridership” is the true reason why they cancelled the Brampton GO link) A.H.T Videomapping (talk) 04:20, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

A major reason for the Main Street cancellation was the impact on Brampton's historical downtown which is now mentioned in the intro. Yes, Main Street is rather narrow north of the Etobicoke Creek bridge. It seems that Brampton is no longer concerned about "low ridership" as they now prefer a tunnel under downtown Main Street; however, we should treat this as a dream rather than part of the current design. (copy: user:Blaixx) TheTrolleyPole (talk) 00:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 14 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 14:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hurontario LRT → Hazel McCallion Line – Hurontario LRT was renamed today (14th Feb) in honour of former Mayor Hazel McCallion. Turini2 (talk) 17:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Completed. (If there's a second LRT line, what will they name it?) -- Zanimum (talk) 19:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Reverted premature page move (WP:RMUM) Please wait for the discussion to close. BLAIXX 01:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose, not official until the line opens as per this tweet. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 02:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Further details on that on Metrolinx News "The project will continue to be referred to as the Hurontario LRT while construction is underway, but will adopt the name once the line opens. This is similar to the Eglinton Crosstown LRT project, which will be known as ‘TTC Line 5 Eglinton’ once it opens." The current name for the Eglinton Crosstown page is Line 5 Eglinton, what it will be known as when that line opens... Turini2 (talk) 14:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Doubt it will change after opening either TBH. TTC lines seem to follow the technical nomenclature; nobody calls them by number despite this departure from WP:COMMONNAME. Give it twenty years maybe, but Torontonians are stubborn to familiar names (see: SkyDome). - Floydian ^τ _¢ 01:22, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Fair point! I guess time will tell what name the public call it! Turini2 (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:CRYSTAL. The wording "will adopt the name" from the above-cited press release leads me to believe this is premature. 162 etc. (talk) 17:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:CRITERIA. Hurontario LRT has greater recognizability – at least for now. BLAIXX 01:15, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose for now as Metrolinx says "The project will continue to be referred to as the Hurontario LRT while construction is underway, but will adopt the name once the line opens." TheTrolleyPole (talk) 03:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

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