Talk:Hurricane (Eden Golan song)

"Hurricane" is a song by Israeli-Russian singer Eden Golan

why have you mentioned "Russian"? "Unicorn" is a song by Israeli singer-songwriter Noa Kirel.

I.M" is a song by Israeli singer Michael Ben David

"Toy" (Hebrew transliteration: טוי) is a song recorded by Israeli singer Netta Barzilai.

and I can go on and on.

84.110.218.178 (talk) 16:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 April 2024

Insert: Israel, with the help of the US, UK, Germany and others are committing a genocide, right now. Please boycott the Eurovision if you don't support genocide of the Palestinians. Over 35,000 are murdered so far, over 70% are women and children.

(If you're the person reading this suggested inclusion, its time to take a your stand for humanity. Do it!) 137.191.235.66 (talk) 12:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 May 2024

Eden Golan is Israeli, not Israeli-Russian. 2A06:C701:4D1B:B401:CB53:D05E:CF02:107D (talk) 08:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 10:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane was 2nd in ESC2024 televote

Hurricane was 2nd in ESC2024 televote. This relevant information should be mentioned in the introduction of the article. Buffaldrino (talk) 05:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane (Eden Golan song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Nascar9919 (talk · contribs) 03:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Pollosito (talk · contribs) 19:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Hi, @Nascar9919! I'll be reviewing this article as soon as possible. I don't promise to be that fast, but I will try to be as fast as possible because I know how frustrating it is to wait so long. Very recent, yes, but I see that it is very stable. Best, Santi (talk) 19:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you so much for taking this on. Don't worry about rushing through this; I know this deals with a very complicated subject. Feel free to take as much time as you need. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 19:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

::@Pollosito Pinging as a reminder. Hope you can get on this soon! Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 20:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Nascar9919. Still busy, sorry. Santi (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nascar9919 I suggest you look for a new reviewer: WP:GAN/I#N4a Broc (talk) 19:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Broc: Gotcha. How do I start that process? Sorry, just a bit confused on what I'm supposed to do. Never done this before. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 23:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Never mind. Had a brain fart... haha. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 04:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nascar9919 follow the link I added in my previous message ;) Broc (talk) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

 As the reviewer has gone on wikibreak, I have followed the steps at WP:GAN/I#N4a, and returned this nomination to the queue. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 02:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nascar9919: A thousand apologies for the delay. Without further ado, let's get started! Santi (talk) 19:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

• The sample of a song is not just added 'cause yes. Although its main function is to give the reader an idea about the song, there should be some emphasis during the body of the article on the part that you want to sample, and I don't see that there. Santi (talk) 19:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

   Done. I didn't add that. That was someone else. But, I left it because "hey, maybe this is important in some way!" Deleted. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 19:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Sorry for believing that you were responsible of that. The same thing happened to me with Gelo DemonPlayer (without acting in bad faith), he was the one who put the samples of Feid's songs, and I was trying to find use for them. But well, something made me listen to "Hurricane" LOL. Santi (talk) 19:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Copyright

• I suggest being careful with the suggestions, in order not to exceed 40% similarity, just in case. Santi (talk) 19:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Background and composition

• "Hurricane" is written by... was? Santi (talk) 19:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

   Done. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 19:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Hmmm, you don't understand me. I was wondering if "was" is better than "is", because I understand that the composition is already in the past, and "is" would sound a bit strange. Santi (talk) 19:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Ohhhh, I thought you just wanted me to change "is" to "was". I agree on that end. That's why I changed it. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 19:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Nascar9919: You already did what I wanted, just a bit late. Santi (talk) 19:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• I couldn't access ref 8 due to access denied, so I couldn't do spotcheck. The rest of the section is perfectly fine. Santi (talk) 20:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  The Eran Swissa analysis article? It works fine on my end... weird. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 20:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. But I trust you, so I pass the section once and for all. Santi (talk) 20:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oops! One moment... if there are more musical details about the song to put in the composition section, then I suggest moving ref 1 to the body of the article and adding the genre there as well. Santi (talk) 01:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

   Done. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 01:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Then, archiving in that ref is missing, and, what does a pop ballad have to do with a sentimental ballad? Sorry, I already saw the reason for the link. Santi (talk) 01:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

   Done for the first part. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 01:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  As I see in other articles, with Eurovision songs there is not much emphasis on musical structure, so I pass this section once and for all to continue with the music video. Santi (talk) 01:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• I noticed that you put three images portraying the songwriters. I don't know how useful are they, but I suggest keeping them until Omert33 demonstrates the usefulness of the readded sample. If it is not proven, then I will tell you how they could be presented better. Santi (talk) 23:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Nascar9919: I return to the review after finishing "Shirt". Tell me if you agree with the changes made, or if you want the images you posted to remain (I didn't delete them, they're just hidden in the wikicode). Santi (talk) 20:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Pollosito:I think I'd remove the "Demi Lovato-esque" part. Only one person said that. However, the rest is fine to me. Cheers, mate! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 20:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  Ok, you can delete it. It happened this way because the user insisted on the permanence of the sample in the article. Santi (talk) 20:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  Removed. Let's get the rest of this review underway! Cheers, mate! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 20:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Music video and promotion

• Archiving missing in refs 24 and 25. The rest passed. Santi (talk) 02:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Let me run the thing thru the Archive Bot and see if that'll work. Hope that should get archiving squared away. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 02:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Pollosito: It seems like it's  Done without any problems. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 02:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, that's fine. Thanks. Santi (talk) 02:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Pollosito: Pinging as a reminder. Do you think you could get this finished within the week? Just checking in. Thanks! Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 23:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Nascar9919: The next week. Don't worry, what I'm doing is prioritizing the most urgent reviews; that is, Shirt's, since PSA was the one who first asked me to finish this week. Furthermore, during these days I was doing very stressful laps that made me tired. I'll get back to it as soon as possible, when "Shirt" ends. Santi (talk) 00:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I also have to add something. Omert33 added the sample again, I already sent him a message about it and from then on he didn't make a single edit. Therefore, even if I review the article, I think it should end when this problem with the sample has been resolved. Also, with "the next week" I mean the week that starts tomorrow. I clarify just in case because I know that the schedule here is different and, therefore, it could be confusing. Santi (talk) 00:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Reception

• The entire section passed. Santi (talk) 21:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Eurovision Song Contest

• As I analyzed, the part of the Israeli request to perform in the second semi-final is rather based on the comments section of ref 63. I don't know if this is acceptable practice. Santi (talk) 23:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Pollosito: replaced with more suitable source. Cheers, mate! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 23:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

• For ref 81, you can replace in the title the Hurricane's quot marks to apostrophes. Santi (talk) 00:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

   Done. Cheers, mate! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 00:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Charts

• Passed. Santi (talk) 00:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Release history

• Passed. Santi (talk) 00:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Veredict

•  Passed as GA. Congrats and be pending if it becomes certified. Santi (talk) 00:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 May 2024

In the last paragraph of Section 4.2 "At Eurovision" it states "The song was performed sixth in the final, ahead of The Netherlands' Joost Klein and before Lithuania's Silvester Belt." This should be updated to account for the fact that Joost Klein was disqualified, can use the following instead.

"The song was performed fifth in the final, ahead of Luxembourg's Tali and before Lithuania's Silvester Belt (Golan was originally set to perform sixth until the disqualification of The Netherlands' Joost Klein)" Snkn179 (talk) 09:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

References

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Your reply is one month late, and the change was already made in the meantime with reliable sources. Snkn179 (talk) 02:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

For genre in infobox, please use Pop Ballad

Sourced here: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-eurovision-singer-eden-golan-upbeat-despite-scrutiny/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/when-an-israeli-showed-inspirational-courage-in-the-singing-of-a-pop-song/ https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/eden-golan-israels-eurovision-entry-determined-to-perform-in-the-face-of-death-threats-i8lx5bsj

All three sources call it a pop ballad

Thank you! Or-Shalem (talk) 04:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Or-Shalem: I'll get to it. Thanks for the recommendation. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 04:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I think we should just say "pop" in the genre= parameter as per ballad and sentimental ballad, "ballad" is not considered a genre on the English Wikipedia. If "ballad" is considered such crucial information, by all means, work "pop ballad" into the lead. That's a description of the genre and style of song. But leave out "ballad" from the genre parameter. Ss112 18:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

It's sourced as a pop ballad and there's a wikipedia article on it. I don't see the problem. Or-Shalem (talk) 16:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Or-Shalem (talk) 16:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Please revert the genre change or just remove it entirely. Pop is so nondescript, it's better not to have it at all.

I don't see the problem with "pop ballad" used, as it is more descriptive and precise than simply "pop." Furthermore I've seen "ballad" used on other articles before and the sentimental ballad page says nothing about it not being a genre (it is literally called a "style" there) and the song is cited as being such universally.

Having "pop" is worse than nothing at all and I don't appreciate the genre change without a proper discussion. Please either remove it or revert it back; it's misleading right now. Or-Shalem (talk) 17:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)