Talk:Hurricane Debby (2024)

Potential hurricane-related death pending further information

I know this is not a hurricane-related death given current information, but it seems like there could be potential it is. Just keep an eye on this story if you're interested in updating the death toll. [1] There is a good chance that this is just an unfortunate drowning that just so happened as Debby passed by. Raskuly (talk) 20:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

It said officials are still looking into a cause of death so I wouldn’t include it as a storm related death for now. 64.150.157.145 (talk) 02:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I know. Raskuly (talk) 12:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Preparations headings

Currently, only the United States has information under the preparations heading. Would it be ok to promote the states' subheadings and remove the United States'? My biggest concern is that without the context of the United States being displayed, some foreign readers may not know that we are talking about American states. ✶Quxyz✶ 15:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there's ever been a hurricane in Georgia (the country), nor that confirming this to the reader is necessary - the first sentence already identifies Debby as a hurricane which "caused widespread flooding across the Southeastern United States" 69.165.195.198 (talk) 12:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Post-tropical Debby and the North-East/Canada

The article currently doesn't mention it at all but Debby also impacted the North-Eastern states (ex. PA, VA, VT; VT; NY) and Canada (ON, QC; QC; NB, NS), bringing torrential rain and causing widespread flooding and power outages. 69.165.195.198 (talk) 12:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Tornado outbreak article

I think the tornado outbreak should have a separate article. The reasons are: 1. There were 24 tornadoes, with 3 being strong 2. 1 death and several injuries occurred 3. The outbreak was widespread and caused some significant damage. Before an article is created, I wanted to get everyone else's opinion. 2600:1014:B142:D7EF:0:14:C36:C001 (talk) 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

The tornadoes are not independently notable from the storm, plus tropical cyclones generating some tornadoes is not uncommon, so no need to split away relevant information to a separate article. The tornado outbreak seems to pale in comparison to that of Beryl, and there are only very few such articles (Category:Tornado_outbreaks_spawned_by_tropical_cyclones), so seems reserved for more exceptional cases than this. 69.165.195.198 (talk) 01:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

While there were certainly many tornadoes spawned by Debby, like stated above, Beryl had so many more, and because the storm itself wasn't as notable as Beryl, I doubt the tornadoes deserve a standalone article. Shmego (talk) 15:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

most hurricane tornado outbreaks with articles only had 20-40 tornadoes, and plus, beryls outbreak was a rare occurance. 2600:1014:B14C:D3B8:0:56:5062:8501 (talk) 16:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Source for damage cost

Please provide a visible reference to a reliable source on the front page. The lack of a visible source is irritating, in addition to reversing edits regarding that due them lacking sources as well. I understand they lack sources but this is somewhat hypocritical. Nagito Komaeda the Second (talk) 23:15, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The source is listed in the infobox.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 01:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2024

On the opening of the article, it still says 1-2 billion dollars of damage estimated instead of 7 billion 66.119.200.111 (talk) 17:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:58, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Just did it, I made the request on my school’s IP as I forgot my login info lol. Insendieum ✉️ 21:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Highlight damage done in Quebec

Hello, I think this article needs to highlight the catastrophic damage encountered in Quebec. Reputable sources state 2.5 billion dollars in damage only in Quebec, the costliest of any natural catastrophe in Quebec's history. This article makes it sound like Debby was a trivial hurricane while in Quebec it was the a historical one. FR: https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2104332/dommages-ouragan-debby-couts#:~:text=Les%20d%C3%A9g%C3%A2ts%20ont%20ainsi%20co%C3%BBt%C3%A9,des%20entreprises%20et%20des%20v%C3%A9hicules. ENG: https://montreal.citynews.ca/2024/09/13/damages-hurricane-debby-remnants-quebec-cost-ice-storm/ 2607:FA49:3E43:0:BD5D:9430:163C:DC0A (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi there – I agree and have just made an attempt to get the ball rolling on bringing due weight to the effects of Debby in Canada, though I expect there will be more work that needs to be done. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 30 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hurricane Debby (2024) → Hurricane Debby – Considering how destructive the storm was, especially with damages in Quebec almost reaching US$2bn, it feels like it is valid for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Not to mention that according to preliminary estimates, it is also the most destructive incarnation of Debby as a whole, as well. Stareiglace (talk) 07:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Weak support – Though 1988's Debby was deadlier, this year's Debby has a lot of coverage, which is the main factor in which an article is deemed WP:PRITOP, However, I'm still unsure about the fact that Hurricane Debbie (1961), although had a slightly different spelling, was nearly 7 times deadlier, I'm not sure if the name similarity can affect in which an article can be considered as primary topic as I'm still new to the tropical cyclone scene. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per above. Debby wasn't historic like Beryl, Helene, or Milton, and I personally doubt the name will be retired given the damage and fatalities. Debby isn't a storm that's going to be remembered for years to come by those not affected, nor is it going to have the notoriety of many others. Although, I will say it's on the edge of what a primary topic would be, even if it's on the lower end of that gradient. Departure– (talk) 13:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I respect your view on this, but I would like to re-iterate on the reported damage in Quebec. I'd just like to mention that USD$1.8bn alone may not seem like much when compared to other systems, but it is a significant amount when in the context of damage in Canada. The damage in Canada from Fiona 2022 was almost $600mn and Igor 2010 was roughly $200mn. Although now that I look at it more, I'm not sure how to compare insured damage to property damage. Stareiglace (talk) 23:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose While the storm certainly did a large amount of damage, it will not be remembered for the ages as it didn't really do much. US impact costs need to be higher as a mild rainstorm can cause a few million in impacts because of how valuable the nation is. ✶Quxyz✶ 23:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose – Though a damaging hurricane, Debby 2024 had no enduring notability, and no apparent long-term preeminence. Drdpw (talk) 01:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support this storm could be retired due to the historic damage in Quebec. 107.122.189.83 (talk) 01:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

If it is retired, it should be moved. I find it likley to be retired as it is the costliest tropical cyclone to ever hit Canada. 72.46.58.62 (talk) 20:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Moderately Strong Support Debby caused at least $7 billion USD in damage. But that's besides the point. Keep in mind that Hurricane Gordon in 1994 caused at least 1000 fatalities in Haiti, which is why the year is not in the title, unlike the storm of that same name in 2006 which was tied with Helene as the most intense of that year (not 2024). Nevertheless, 1982's Debby was a category 4 hurricane but barely affected any land. Because 2024's Debby had huge media coverage, this storm likely should have the year removed from the title. Iseriously (talk) 19:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Can you back up that claim about large media coverage? It didn't seem that large compared to other storms from this year. ✶Quxyz✶ 20:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: The amount of deaths and damages, and the type of storm it was (slow-moving with significant but not catastrophic damages), was similar to Sally in 2020. Sally didn’t get retired, so Debby likely won’t get retired either (especially because Debby has since been overshadowed by Helene and Milton in terms of impacts and coverage). Several other storms named Debby also became hurricanes. Debby is not like Helene, which has far more significant impacts and coverage. AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 21:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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