Talk:Hurricane Tammy

Additional info

Hi:

If you want to translate from the French article fr:Ouragan Tammy (2023), you will find more information on the impacts in the Leeward Islands

Pierre cb (talk) 03:56, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

@Drdpw, I have translated everything from the Guadeloupe section. Is the article fit to be published now? ✶Mitch199811✶ 23:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

You filled-out the draft nicely; looks good. Drdpw (talk) 00:23, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Named or unnamed?

How can this article begin like this :

Hurricane Tammy was a long-lived Atlantic Ocean tropical cyclone in October 2023 that caused minor impacts across the Leeward Islands and Bermuda. The twentieth named storm and seventh hurricane of the 2023 Atlantic hurricane season,{{Efn|This includes a retroactively recognized and unnamed subtropical storm in January.}}

How can the first retroactively recognized but unnamed storm (Subtropical Storm One) can be counted at the same time as a named storm to arrive to 20 named storm for Tammy. Why not the more logical :

Tammy is the twentieth storm but the nineteenth named storm. {{Efn|This includes a retroactively recognized and unnamed subtropical storm in January.}}

Pierre cb (talk) 14:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

This might be a bigger problem at the season level since Idalia and another one also are formatted like this. For concisness, I would prefer the first one with the efn note based on the word include. Though, iirc, most news stations say that it was nineteen. Based on that, we could have the efn note as "discluding an unnamed subtropical storm in January". ✶Mitch199811✶ 16:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

merge proposal

Not very notable. Fails WP:NWX. Records can be integrated onto season article. 2003LN6 05:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

At brief look at news on Google pulls nothing after November. However, I am doubtful on how well this article can be merged into the season article. The article is decently sized referenced (47 unique) with 1200 words. ✶Quxyz✶ 01:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Also, if you were not to count the citations in the meteorological history section as the TCR might make them obsolete, there would still be around 30 unique citations. ✶Quxyz✶ 18:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Strong Oppose given the rarity of such storms and the Lesser Antilles had ample preparation, as well as the above reply. I also have to question if some of these merge proposals you are requesting are in good faith given they all seem to be on storms that have decently sized articles and have more meteorological weight to them in order to merit creation. By these means you are suggesting that we merge Hurricane Nadine (2012) because it had minor impacts under the guise of “fitting records into season”. Which it obviously won’t. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 01:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@MarioProtIV, Can you elaborate on the rarity of this storm? Being a category 2 in October doesn't seem ridiculously uncommon and fifth longest enduring system since the date Tammy formed seems a bit like cherrypicking. ✶Quxyz✶ 15:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

It’s moreso related to the fact it became a hurricane in the tropical Atlantic in the month of October which has not happened much. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 18:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)