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Is the title too long? Suggest perhaps renaming to London parks bombings...? --TBM10 (talk) 20:00, 22 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

They're almost universally referred to as the "Hyde Park bombing" and the "Regent's Park bombing" respectively. Google doesn't come up with any hits for "London parks bombings," while "London park bombings" gets a grand total of seven. There are also a lot of parks in London, so being precise in the idententification is no bad thing. Nick Cooper (talk) 21:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Fair enough! --TBM10 (talk) 06:21, 23 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

IRA Terrorist John Downey

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

I have added the Terrorist label for Downey. This is appropriate as the IRA is a terrorist organisation. WP:LABEL allows terrorists to be labelled as such. Rikmayallfanclub (talk) 12:00, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Rikmayallfanclub Well, hello there, TopGun1066. Looks like you somehow misread MOS:LABEL, since it clearly says that calling someone a terrorist is best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution. Arado Ar 196 (C✙T) 13:12, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Not sure who you mean? I am the Rik Mayall Fan Club. You must be confused? The following reliable sources describe Downey as a terrorist, so you are clearly wrong.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2020-02-26b.316.3

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/16/hyde-park-bomber-ordered-pay-victims-family-715000/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13501011/ira-john-downey-hyde-park-bombing-compensation/

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1339757493292052481

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11016791/Camillas-husband-Andrew-Parker-Bowles-relives-IRA-Hyde-Park-bombing.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1613044/not-immune-warning-IRA-suspects-Northern-Ireland-legacy-Blair-government

I accept your apology and admission that you are wrong. Rikmayallfanclub (talk) 08:06, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Rikmayallfanclub, let's look at your "reliable" sources, TopGun1066. There's a list of frequently used sources at WP:RSP. According to it:

Daily Telegraph is generally reliable, but biased or opinionated for politics. Bias in this case is to the right wing.
The Sun is deprecated. References to it are actively discouraged from being used in any article.
Twitter is a social network. Also, cited account is TheSun, so see previous bulletpoint.
Daily Mail is so blatantly unreliable that it was deprecated in 2 RfCs. Its use as a reference is generally prohibited.
Daily Express is tabloid with a number of similarities to the Daily Mail.

So what we have now? Three deprecated tabloids, twitter of one tabloid, and one reliable, but biased Conservative newspaper. Widely used by reliable sources, huh? Even if it were okay to call Provo a "terrorist" because The Telegraph called him such, you didn't WP:CITE it with in-text attribution. So, no apologies~ Arado Ar 196 (C✙T) 08:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

No. You are wrong. These papers are widely accepted in the UK as reliable sources. Just because this site chooses to employ it's inherent left-wing bias to ignore them, doesn't make it right. The sources are reliable, they will be used, and Downey is a terrorist. You should study harder. Rikmayallfanclub (talk) 10:16, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Well, "left-wing" "uneducated" "troll" here. Wikipedia shall not change its guidelines (like WP:RS) just because you and other British conservatives hate Ireland and read Daily Mail every morning. Rules like MOS:TERRORIST and community consensus at WP:RSP are still much more important than your opinion. You should now end your little crusade~ Arado Ar 196 (C✙T) 12:25, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

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