Talk:IND Fulton Street Line

General edits

I changed the section that mentioned that the line was double level under Fulton St. That is simply not the case. With the exception of Nostrand Avenue all 4 tracks are on the same level.

--Allan 19:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Merger text from IND article

Clipped from there, maybe for merger into here:

This is primarily a four-tracked subway running through Central Brooklyn. It starts in Manhattan at Chambers St. and curves South and East under Fulton St. (in Manhattan) It then leaves via the Fulton-Cranberry Sts. Tunnels and enters Brooklyn under Cranberry St. It continues to Jay Street and then turns under that thoroughfare and has a transfer station and direct track connections with the 6 Av. subway at Jay St.-Borough Hall. It then turns East and meets with two tracks from the crosstown line (although there are no track connections) and two other tracks from the Transit Museum (the Court St. Station, abandoned in 1945.) at the Hoyt-Schermerhorn St. Station—A massive six track-four platform transfer station under Schermerhorn St. The Crosstown operates on the two innermost tracks that are next to each other. On outer sides of these tracks there are platforms separating the Crosstown and Fulton Lines, and yet another set of platforms separating the Fulton St. Line from the tracks to Court St.

Unusual in design, the tunnels outside of the station are completely grade separated.

Example:

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The Fulton Street Subway now curves out of the station and exchanges switches with the tracks from the Museum. These become the local tracks and the line continues under Fulton Street to East New York, then they curve under Pennsyvania Av. with a stop at Liberty Av. The subway then curves under Pitkin Av. to Euclid Av. After this station the line becomes 2 tracked and the subway stops at its last underground stop, and also its last stop in Brooklyn-Grant Av. The subway now emerges onto the BMT Liberty Av. Elevated (the Queens Portion of the same El that ran over Fulton St—the Fulton St Elevated, which was torn down because of the subway construction that would in a few years when opened, compete with it), crosses the border into Queens, and it's on to the Rockaways.

Kaisershatner 15:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Which article is this text from? This would not add much to whatever is already here. —Larry V (talk) 18:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Station names

Blauwkoe 20:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC) OK I give up, I was just trying to be helpful. No need to get into a fight with pedantics. The new signage going up and the current subway maps does not include the old street names. The MTA has officially dropped them. So the current revision is not right -- the names like Hudson should not really be there. That's why I added the comment. Married to an Ozoner, I know how the old names stay on. But it's not worth my while. You guys just do what you want, I'll work on other areas.

Jeez, you don't have to take it so personally. I know the MTA has pretty much dropped the additional names, which is why the articles titles themselves should not include them (e.g., 111th Street (IND Fulton Street Line)). I was just saying that the explanation about the Queens street-renaming isn't really useful on this particular page; it would be more proper on the articles for the stations themselves (when they are written, of course). —Larry V (talk) 03:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Line info

I don't know why, but those emergency exit signs that hang at the end of platforms say IND Eighth Avenue Line. Isn't that awkward? --Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Service history

This does not include Rockaway shuttles from Euclid, which ran during non-rush hours in the early days.

Express

• A 1949-1956, Jay to Euclid express (local east of Broadway Junction) (rush hours)
• A 1956-1956, Jay to Euclid or Lefferts express (rush hours)
• A 1956-1957?, Jay to Rockaway or Lefferts express (rush hours)
• A 1957?-1958, Jay to Euclid or Lefferts express (rush hours)
• A 1958-1959, Jay to Rockaway or Lefferts express (rush hours)
• E 1959-1963/4, Jay to Euclid express (rush hours)
• E 1963/4-1973, Jay to Euclid or Rockaway express (rush hours)
• A 1973-1988, Jay to Euclid, Lefferts, or Rockaway express (rush hours)
• A 1988-1999, Jay to Euclid, Lefferts, or Rockaway express (weekdays)
• A 1999-present, Jay to Euclid, Lefferts, or Rockaway express

Local

• A 1936-1948, Jay to Rockaway Avenue (Broadway Junction after 1946) local
• C 1936-1949?, Jay to Hoyt (rush hours only after 1940)
• A 1948-1949, Jay to Euclid local
• A 1949-1956, Jay to Euclid local (non-rush hours)
• E 1949-1956, Jay to Broadway Junction local (rush hours)
• A 1956-1963/4, Jay to Euclid or Lefferts local (non-rush hours)
• E 1956-1956, Jay to Rockaway local (rush hours)
• E 1956-1957?, Jay to Euclid local (rush hours)
• E 1957?-1958, Jay to Rockaway local (rush hours)
• E 1958-1959, Jay to Euclid local (rush hours)
• A 1959-1963/4, Jay to Rockaway or Lefferts local (rush hours)
• A 1963/4-1967, Jay to Euclid or Lefferts local
• A 1967-1988, Jay to Euclid, Lefferts, or Rockaway local (non-rush hours)
• A 1967-1973, Jay to Euclid or Lefferts local (rush hours)
• E 1973-1976, Jay to Euclid or Rockaway local (rush hours)
• CC/C 1976-1988?, Jay to Euclid or Rockaway local (rush hours)
• A 1988-1999, Jay to Euclid, Lefferts, or Rockaway local (non-weekdays)
• C 1988?-1999, Jay to Euclid local (weekdays)
• C 1999-present, Jay to Euclid local

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Rechaining Fulton

When the Fulton Street El stops east of Grant were added to this line, does anyone know if they were rechained as IND lines? I know there is some discussion about the kind of thing for the Culver Line, but I haven't seen any about it here. Tduk (talk) 15:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I see it's chaining line K according to New York City Subway chaining. Do we know anything about why some lines are rechained and some aren't? Tduk (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)