Talk:IWGP Tag Team Championship/Archive 1

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wasnt the IWGP World tag team championships not the IWGP Championships —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.250.99 (talk) 23:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

British Invasion

I tried to add that the British Invasion beat Team 3D for the belts, but someone reverted it. Now someone else(not me) has reinstated the British Invasion. Should this be reverted again, or should all the relevant fields be altered too? 41.245.152.90 (talk) 12:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Changes are not made until they are acknowledge by the promotion. As in shown on tv, or announced on website. Pre-taped shows are now set in stone and the information should not be posted until the footage has been aired. --DanteAgusta (talk) 19:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, in this situation, New Japan owns the IWGP titles. Not TNA. SO until NJPW announces the title change. Then it did not happen. It is suspect that TNA may have booked the title change without NJPW's knowledge. If so, then this opens up a new can of worms. --DanteAgusta (talk) 19:49, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

and then again maybe New Japan didn't want Team 3D's undefeated in Japan streak to end, but take the belts off the at the same time. so The British Invasion maybe if New Japan does recognized this title change, they may be transitional champs so they will lose to the true next champs.--Boutitbenza 69 9 (talk) 00:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we should put down the Invasion winning, but do some asterisks to say it wasn't sanctioned. Juventud Guerrera's reign as IWGP Junior Heavyweight Champion isn't recognized by New Japan either, but he is still recognized by others. I was thinking we should acknowledge both parties points of view in this article. Crippler4, 5 August 2009

This kinda shtick used to happen all the time back in the territory days giving us a precedent. Check Carlos Colon's NWA World Title win or Antonio Inoki's WWWF World Title win: we make a new row with a dash rather than a number to recognise that a) it happened but b) the governing body doesn't recognise it. Tony2Times (talk) 17:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

This seems like the proper way to do it. It seems the British Invasion gets screwed here due to TNA's shady booking. NJ should not have been stupid enough to allow TNA to have their belts. So this mess is a stupid one in this day and age. --DanteAgusta (talk) 18:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Going by those list's formats is the wrong way to do it. The NWA list is incredibly inaccurate, while the WWE List is out dated and fails the FL criteria plus some of the MoS today. The best way to do it is to list the reign as normally and note it is not recognized by New Japan. We are based on facts and we have third party sources to justify the reign's inclusion.--WillC 23:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Dude, the guys are listed, but they are just not the champs. I don't understand the problem here. New Japan said Team 3D are the champs. --DanteAgusta (talk) 01:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but we still have to sort everything out so it is correct. I'm concerned about the history mainly since I was working on taking it to FLC in a subpage.--WillC 01:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

How is it not correct? What does it need to meet standards?--DanteAgusta (talk) 02:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Reliable sources and a table reformat, really a total overhaul in expansion to pass the FL criteria.--WillC 03:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

And what is the matter with the current references? Seem accurate to me. --DanteAgusta (talk) 03:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

They aren't reliable. Their fact checking has not been proven to be accurate.--WillC 03:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Which ones? --DanteAgusta (talk) 04:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Strong Style Spirit mainly. Primary sources should be avoided if possible as well per the MoS, since they are self-publishing.--WillC 05:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Strong Style Spirit is not affiliated with NJ in any way. --DanteAgusta (talk) 05:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

You misunderstood my statement. Strong Style Spirit is not reliable enough to pass FLC. And also primary sources should be avoided if possible. So if enough third party source can be found then the New Japan sources should be switched out with them. I was not saying SSS was connected to New Japan.--WillC 05:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

If SSS is not a reliable source for Japanese wrestling, then your not going to find anything better. Stuart has built the best site for all Japanese wrestling there is in English. It has been online since 2001, and has the best reputation. Why primary sources are frowned upon loses me completely. If I wanted news about New Japan, the first place I go to is their website. It is the most accurate source for New Japan news. --DanteAgusta (talk) 06:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well then primary would have to be the best way to go. Read the MoS about self-published sources.--WillC 06:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

The primary is being used... This is why I am lost. The reference to Team 3D still being the champions is from NJ's official website.--DanteAgusta (talk) 06:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Lets just end this now, we are getting no where. You will see once my expansion is complete.--WillC 06:42, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think I see where the problem is. Whomever posted the reference posted it coming from SSS, when it was NJ's website. Not sure why that happened, but I changed it. --DanteAgusta (talk) 06:45, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.njpw.co.jp/news/article.php?nwid=10534 Now the change is official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.192.45.253 (talk) 16:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Here is a reliable third party ref to verify this as well: New Japan changes stance on tag titles.--WillC 09:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)