Talk:Iain Macleod

Only Chancellor not to give a Budget?

...Macleod became the only Chancellor of the Exchequer in history never to deliver a Budget speech to Parliament.

I think Lord Randolph Churchill also holds this distinction. Michael Hicks-Beach and Neville Chamberlain also didn't present a Budget during their first Chancellorships but both had a later term which rectified this. But what about Chancellors in earlier times - did they all make it to Parliament? Who held the post in Wellington's 1834 caretaker ministry? For that matter did Canning's brief ministry give him a chance? Timrollpickering 02:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Stagflation

In case anyone's interested, I found the reference for Macleod's stagflation speech in a Bank of England research paper that's available online: [1] - see page 5. JH (talk page) 17:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

See Talk:Stagflation for the origin of that term and its disputedness of Macleod having said it first. Until the ACTUAL document of the Hansard (House of Commons debates) can be viewed (I've emailed the Parliamentary archives for it), this reference will remain dubious, in my opinion. -Eep² 16:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Hansard is now making a lot of its record available online: [2]. Unfortunately for NJovember 1965 they so far only seem to have the Lords proceedings up, not the Commons. JH (talk page) 17:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Online records now include Commons for November 1965, so I have updated the article with the appropriate link. Elroch (talk) 23:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Categories

There is no reference as to being a bridge book writer. Tetron76 (talk) 16:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

See 3rd paragraph of Early Life. Newwhist (talk) 17:02, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I provided more information about his book Bridge is an Easy Game with a formal reference that links two OCLC records.

See the next section. --P64 (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Publications

See also immediately above, re Category:Bridge writers.

• Iain Macleod at Library of Congress, with 7 library catalogue records
• Works by or about Iain Macleod in libraries (WorldCat catalog)

Probably a list of publications or all Books or Selected works is warranted.

--P64 (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

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Anyone has any opinions about the recent seemingly obvious neutrality dispute?

Paulturtle where in the article...? This is the most ridiculous dispute it seems to me... literally no other biography begins by saying how awesome the person is, but somehow this is supposed to be fact here? I'm taking this to a noticeboard if no one else responds... 80.42.143.142 (talk) 03:06, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

You are missing the point - it's one of the things for which he was notable. He made his name as a Parliamentary debater, first against Aneurin Bevan and then against Gaitskell. Later on he was noted as a platform orator, and was remembered as such long after his death. It's all in the article (which is largely written by me, actually). I remember John Major recounting how he and his friends used to listen to records of Macleod's speeches.Paulturtle (talk) 03:42, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I think that's right, but it does need a supporting citation. Hopefully someone can dig one out.

It's all cited in the article. We don't need to be adding more citations to the introduction just because somebody presumably saw Iain Macleod mentioned on the news (apropos Kwasi Kwarteng's brief chancellorship), looked up who he was and jumped to the wrong conclusion. Weirdly, I've never managed to find any film of Macleod's 1960s conference speeches online, although there are plenty of examples of people (even Mrs Thatcher) reminiscing about how inspiring they were. There was a brief clip in that prgramme about John Major, but that was decades ago.Paulturtle (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

What's cited? Point is that if Major or whoever said it then it needs to be in quotes, usually below in the article... as it is it's ridiculous (although the prior word was even more ludicrously superfluous). Point is, Wikipedia itself can't say someone was awesome in the lede, of all places too... and if someone said it, then in quotes, as it certainly can't be said in a supposedly encyclopedic voice. What's next? I don't suppose even you would support someone saying something positive about, say, Hitler, in the lede, right? Just because it's a Conservative certainly doesn't make it any different! 80.42.143.142 (talk) 03:14, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh dear - a Hitler comparison. Always a bad sign. Have chipped in on the NPOV notice board. KJP1 (talk) 08:39, 3 November 2022 (UTC)