Talk:Ian Charleson

Minor theatre credits — information needed

I've compiled a chart of Charleson's minor theatre credits (below). These include university, LAMDA, festival fringe, and workshop/reading roles. Also: less-documented roles, childhood roles, and small parts. In addition to the chart below, while in high school he performed many roles with The Jasons, an amateur Edinburgh group. In addition to the roles listed at EU, he also performed in dozens of less-documented plays there. Additionally, he directed and/or designed costumes for many plays there.

This list is by no means exhaustive. It is missing many productions. And the productions listed are missing various data. If anyone can accurately add to it or confirm the questioned dates, please do. You may reply on this page below the chart, or add to the chart yourself, or contact my via my Talk page. Thank you.

I don't think the parts in this chart are salient enough to be added to the Major Theatre Credits chart in the article. However, if the chart below gets more accurate and finished, it may be worth adding to the article separately, as Minor Theatre Credits or Selected Minor Theatre Credits. Softlavender (talk) 03:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Minor theatre credits

Year	Title	Role	Director	Playwright	Theatre
c. 1958	Kith and Kin	John			New Restalrig Church Dramatic Society
c. 1961	A Resounding Tinkle	Charlady	John Whitworth	N. F. Simpson
c. 1962	Coriolanus	Young Martius		Shakespeare	Royal High School
c. 1962	Count Albany	Clementina		Donald Carswell	Royal High School
c. 1967	Twelfth Night	Malvolio		Shakespeare	Edinburgh University Drama Society
c. 1967	Edward II	Gaveston		Shakespeare	Edinburgh University Drama Society
1967	The Homecoming		Peter Farrago	Harold Pinter	National Student Drama Festival
c. 1968	The Importance of Being Earnest	John Worthing		Oscar Wilde	Edinburgh University Drama Society
c. 1968	What the Butler Saw	Dr. Prentice		Joe Orton	Edinburgh University Drama Society
1968	Mandrake, the Musical	Callimaco	Peter Farrago	Machiavelli (original) Michael Alfreds (book and lyrics) Anthony Bowles (music)	Edinburgh University Drama Society at the Edinburgh Festival (George Square Theatre)
c. 1969	She Stoops to Conquer	Tony Lumpkin		Oliver Goldsmith	Edinburgh University Drama Society
1969	Marat/Sade	Herald		Peter Weiss	Edinburgh University Drama Society
c. 1969	The Flies	Zeus		Jean-Paul Sartre	Edinburgh University Drama Society
c. 1969	Richard II			Shakespeare	Edinburgh Festival Fringe
1970	The Pantaloonatic		Roger Savage		Edinburgh Festival Fringe
c. 1971	Pilgrim's Progress	Christian		John Bunyan	LAMDA
1972	The Merry Wives of Windsor	Ford		Shakespeare	LAMDA
c. 1973	The Prince and the 45	Prince Charles Edward			Edinburgh Festival
1973	The Statues in Room 13		Ian Taylor	Reg Stewart	Young Vic Theatre Company The Studio
1973	The Incredible Vanishing	Cob	Denise Coffey	Denise Coffey	Young Vic Theatre Company
1974	Lilian Baylis Centenary Festival	various		various	Young Vic Theatre
1975	Mrs. Grabowski's Academy	Williams	Jonathan Hales	John Antrobus	Royal Court Theatre (Jerwood Theatre Upstairs)
1975	Valmouth	Nit		Sandy Wilson	BBC radio live broadcast
1976	Light Shining in Buckinghamshire			Caryl Churchill	Traverse Theatre, Edinburgh (workshop)
1979	Who’s Taking You Home Tonight?	solo singer		devised by Charleson	(revue of songs mostly from the 1930s) RSC "extras", Gulbenkian Studio, Newcastle
1982	Selections from As You Like It, The Seagull, Guys and Dolls	various		Shakespeare, Chekhov, Loesser/Swerling	The Roundhouse (benefit with Vanessa Redgrave for her Youth Training Centres)
1985	Where There's a Will			Bernard Parry	Barbican (benefit for Ethiopian Appeal Fund)
1985	A Tribute to Michael Redgrave	scene from Car Trouble	Anthony Page		Old Vic
1986	Edinburgh Festival 40th Anniversary Gala Concert	monologue from Richard II		Shakespeare	Edinburgh Festival
1988	Before the Act	ensemble actor: Hands Across the Sea		Noel Coward	Piccadilly Theatre (protest against Section 28)
1988	Sondheim: A Celebration	singer			Playhouse Theatre (benefit for Crusaid)
1989	Julius Caesar, Hamlet, Macbeth	Brutus, Hamlet, (unknown)		Shakespeare	Theatre Museum (Bardathon)
1989	Measure for Measure	Angelo		Shakespeare	Riverside Studios (workshop)

Edit in "death" section

I wanted to explain my edit in the "death" section since it was rolled back. As currently written, Charleson, who was gay, was diagnosed with HIV in 1986" sounds as if it's implying that him being gay has something to do with his death or the fact that he got AIDS. This helps contribute to the incorrect stereotype that AIDS is a "gay person" disease.

If Charleson's sexual orientation is something that is important to his life as a celebrity, or he had relationships that are worth talking about, then there could be a separate section discussing that. Otherwise, I see no reason to mention it; do articles ever feel the need to make a point of the fact that a particular celebrity is straight? As it is, that part of the article comes across as anti-LBGT.

Gendoikari 82 (talk) 17:50, 30 May 2015 (UTC)gendoikari_82

• Hi, there is no direct causality stated or implied (i.e. obviously all gay men do not and did not get AIDS), however we have to mention his sexual orientation somewhere, and this is the precisely appropriate place. No one (except close friends) knew he was gay before he died of AIDS, and after that was announced, everyone knew he was gay — and he became a gay icon precisely because he was the first celebrity in the UK to let his death be openly announced as from AIDS (similar to Rock Hudson in the U.S.). In point of fact, at the time Charleson acquired AIDS (sometime prior to 1986), AIDS was acquired only by gay or bisexual men, intravenous drug users, hemophiliacs, or (very occasionally) people who received tainted blood transfusions; by far the first group. It is certainly encyclopedic and necessary to mention Charleson's sexual orientation in this article and at that particular juncture. While I can fathom your concern, it is unfounded and extremely outdated. Softlavender (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with Gendoikari 82 and revisit this topic following a reverted edit from an IP editor. I am fine about including a section on his personal life and there saying that Charleson was gay, but saying it at that point absolutely implies there is a link between being gay and HIV/AIDS. The idea that AIDS is a gay plague is what is outdated. Elsewhere in Wikipedia I have reverted labels such as 'Jewish American', which only make sense if we also label people as 'Christian Americans'. This is a similar case. That Charleson was gay is apropos of nothing in the section about his death. --Wavehunter (talk) 15:41, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
    • I have edited the sentence to reflect the fact that this was during the AIDS pandemic. During the pandemic years of 1980 through 1994, the persons contracting and dying of AIDS were overwhelmingly gay, followed very distantly by intravenous needle re-users. Softlavender (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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The article contains a great deal of unsourced material and has been tagged. 74.67.45.185 (talk) 13:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)