Talk:Ian Morris (historian)

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I have now added a number of facts and extra information asserting the notability of Professor Ian Morris — Preceding unsigned comment added by Profile Books (talk • contribs) 16:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Update 30/04/2010 - I've now also added links to items mentioned in this article, added some categories and linked a mention of Professor Ian Morris on the wiki Monte Polizzo page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Profile Books (talk • contribs) 14:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Add wikilink for Geography as it is the key driving force in the book.

Add wikilink for Geography as it is the key driving force in the book. 99.109.124.74 (talk) 01:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

That's not a good reason for inclusion. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 03:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Please define Good. 99.181.136.61 (talk) 06:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Add redline Why the West Rules - For Now: The Patterns of History, and What they Reveal About the Future

Add redline Why the West Rules - For Now: The Patterns of History, and What they Reveal About the Future (Farrar, Straus and Giroux 2010; Profile 2010; German, Dutch, Chinese, Korean, Russian, Taiwanese, and French translations, 2011) ISBN 978-0374290023 ... for potential future wikipedia article. 99.112.212.121 (talk) 19:44, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Why? If it even deserves a section, it should be added here, first, and then split off into a separate article. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:01, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd suggest the anon should get a userid and write that article ... might be worthwhile and a good experience for the anon. Join the fun and create the article. Vsmith (talk) 02:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Interesting idea. How would you, User:Vsmith, suggest one start? 99.19.47.15 (talk) 04:53, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

It's clear that a section about the book, if it could be written, and sourced to reliable sources (not including the book itself), it could be added to this article. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

If you really want to create a separate article, which shouldn't be merged into this one, as anon, you could use the protocols in WP:Articles for Creation. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:09, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Add wikilink to Britain as the political and historical divisions on the UK are confusion to some in the USA.

Add wikilink to Britain as the political and historical divisions on the UK are confusion to some in the USA. 209.255.78.138 (talk) 19:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Britain is a disambiguation page. Which link did you have in mind? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Good point! 209.255.78.138 (talk) 18:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Add Great Man theory to define reference to "Great Men".

Add Great Man theory to define reference to "Great Men". 99.181.135.87 (talk) 04:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Not here - perhaps in an article about the book - assuming the Great Man theory is discussed in the book, haven't read it. Vsmith (talk) 13:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Rubbish "review"

More quotes from Morris which show why the Duchese reivew doesn't belong here:

“ This, I concede again, is just speculation, but to my mind it would explain why Professor Duchesne begins his review not with a summary of my arguments but with complaints about what other people think about my book, why he consistently concludes that my words mean the opposite of what they say, and why he descends so often to ad hominem attacks. I am, he says, ‘defeatist’, ‘ethno-masochistic’, ‘dismissive, even contemptuous, of ordinary people’, and ‘a Party intellectual who knows in which direction the evidence must be altered to fit with the multicultural line’.(2) I am also a megalomaniac: the ultimate message I am trying to convey, Professor Duchesne concludes, is that ‘only Morris can prevent humanity from destroying itself’. ¶ If an undergraduate handed me an essay containing statements like these, I would strike them out and return the paper with a little lecture about professionalism. I have to confess to some disappointment that the editors of Reviews in History did not apply similar standards. A serious issue does distinguish Professor Duchesne’s thinking about the West from mine, but it is not defeatism, masochism, or megalomania; it is whether material or cultural explanations fit better with the facts. If the editors had encouraged Professor Duchesne to write a 9,000-word review focusing on this serious question, it would have been well worth reading. ”

And the footnote (2) says:

“ Fighting talk; when I migrated to the United States I solemnly swore that I was not, and had never been, a member of the Communist Party (I am assuming, of course, that that the communists are the party to which Professor Duchesne thinks I belong). My grandfather, however, had been a long-time card-carrying member of the Communist Party of Great Britain. He was a steelworker rather than an intellectual cadre, but all the same, I heard more than enough from him about the Party to last me a lifetime. ”

Etc. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 21:47, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

potential resource

Some of the 2011 Foreign Policy magazine List of Top Global Thinkers, named Why the West Rules - for Now in their top three Reading List, including Gareth Evans, Arvind Subramanian, and Joseph Nye. 99.181.139.218 (talk) 05:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

No credible reason for inclusion. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:33, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/11/28/the_global_thinkers_20_most_recommended_books?page=0,1 The Global Thinkers' Book Club; Want to think like the world's best minds? Start by reading like them. The Foreign Policy Global Thinkers' 20 most recommended titles. November 28, 2011

Number 2; Why the West Rules -- for Now: The Patterns of History, and What They Reveal About the Future (2010), excerpt ...

"The patterns established in the past suggest that the shift of wealth and power from West to East is inexorable. The transformation of the old Eastern core into a Western periphery in the nineteenth century allowed the East to discover advantages in its backwardness, and the latest of these -- the incorporation of China's vast, poor workforce into the global capitalist economy -- is still playing out. Bungling, internal divisions, and external wars may hold China back, as they did so often between the 1840s and 1970s, but sooner or later -- probably by 2030, almost certainly by 2040 -- China's gross domestic product will overtake that of the United States. At some point in the twenty-first century China will use up the advantages of its backwardness, but when that happens the world's center of economic gravity will probably still remain in the East, expanding to include South and Southeast Asia. The shift in power and wealth from West to East in the twenty-first century is probably as inevitable as the shift from East to West that happened in the nineteenth."

99.19.42.30 (talk) 08:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Still no potential credible reason for inclusion. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 11:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

References

clarify

Institute of Historical Research = http://www.history.ac.uk, http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews = "Reviews in History". Wikilink for clarity. 99.181.140.100 (talk) 04:22, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Foreign Affairs review

• West is Best? Why Civilizations Rise and Fall by Timur Kuran January/February 2011

99.181.140.100 (talk) 04:25, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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