Talk:Ice Cream (Blackpink and Selena Gomez song)

Ariana Grande as songwriter

I am not sure why Ariana Grande's involvement is not included. She has Tweeted it herself and nobody has disputed her involvement. She appears to be a songwriter. Perhaps someone can find some good sources to include here. I found a few but I am not sure which ones Wikipedia likes. Here is one: https://www.thejakartapost.com/life/2020/08/23/ariana-grande-reveals-she-worked-on-blackpink-and-selena-gomez-song-ice-cream.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.159.63 (talk) 20:34, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Answer is quite simple: content like songwriters and producers need to be proven with a reliable source. Social media is not reliable, so it will not be accepted. There haven’t been notable reliable sources that have stated this, so at this time you can’t add it. Also don’t forget to sign your comments with four tildes, like this:~~~~. Thanks so much! Doggy54321 (talk) 20:51, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Ariana Grande said it. Don't we trust her? 58.179.159.63 (talk) 05:01, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

That's not a valid argument. Per WP:VERIFY, all information on Wikipedia must be attributed directly to a verifiable and reliable source in order to be kept. The basis of what might be true is not a sufficient ground for justification on this encyclopedia. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 07:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I see the factual information about Ariana Grande being songwriter has now been included. Quite silly to exclude it before now when it was a well-known fact. 58.179.159.63 (talk) 05:27, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Taken directly from WP:VERIFY, content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors. Even if you are sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it. By the looks of your response, that just shows your lack of familiarity and acknowledgement of Wikipedia policies, even when it was placed right in front of you. That's not a very good trait editors around here possess. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 05:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Wow. I mean just wow. You were wrong, proven wrong. I was right, proven right, and you still go on about it as if you were right. Just yeah. You want false information to be kept false so you close off editing and then go around bragging about being wrong as if it's a virtue. That's just so rude. An apology would be nice, but you're so far off one it's not funny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.159.63 (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

It's so funny that you think you're right in this case. You're the one who's so far off that you just might lack the competence to edit here. Look, it was your decision to edit Wikipedia in the first place, and I'll let you know that you irrevocably agree to follow Wikipedia policies every time you click that "publish changes" button. If other editors tell you that you might violate a certain Wikipedia policy (like I'm telling you right now about WP:PROVEIT under WP:VERIFY), then it is in your best interest to read carefully through the content and make sure you're in accordance with all the requirements listed. Because you obviously haven't done your homework, I'm not going to bother arguing with you further. If I (or other editors) catch you violating any more Wikipedia policies on other pages in the future, you will be blocked from editing, and judging by your talk page you have already received plenty of warnings. Blanking them does not make them go away. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 17:36, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Sources

Doggy54321 I noticed that when you add updates you mostly use primary sources i.e. youtube videos. You should also include a reliable secondary source that supports or states the same info you add to the article. Like the edit you recently made for the animated dance video where you wrote "Part of the dance routine was used in the official music video". While this may be true it's like the equivalent of original research, one can't know this unless they go watch both videos as it isn't stated in the video either (since it's not a making of or a behind the scenes explaining the correlation). But if you have media article that covered the animated video and discussed what it has in common with the orig mv then that would correctly support your edit. Otherwise you'll have to remove that sentence and just leave the part saying the video was uploaded, but you'd still need an additional ref of a reliable source saying so like I did for the teaser, mv and bts videos. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:24, 6 September 2020 (UTC)