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Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I have cut the following:

Now, the terminal -una/-unus generally stands for a divinity which leaves us with the interpretation of -vella-. Assuming that this word retained its meaning in the later Cymric form of Caswallon then this gives us a Cymric word similar to gwall (taking mutation into account) which may in turn be derived from the archaic Cymric form gwallaw which has the double meaning of — 'to pour' or 'to serve'. The latter meaning makes more sense for deities such as Vellaunus; however, in the case of Icovellauna the former meaning seems to make more sens and fits-in well with the nature of a water deity. Thus Icovellauna's name can be interpreted as 'Divine Pourer of the Waters' (or perhaps more poetically 'Divine Source of the Waters'), an apposite name for a goddess associated with the healing springs of Sablon.

Let me explain why I am cutting this material.

It is unsourced. Wikipedia is not the place to publish original theories. There are many such venues on the internet; WP is not one of them.
There is no "terminal -una/-unus". According to all of the sourced literature that can be brought to bear, the root is uellaun-, plain and simple.
The idea that a "terminal -una/-unus generally stands for a divinity" is extremely dubious. There is an augmentative ending, -on, which we do find in some divine names like Epona "the great mare" or Sirona "the great star". But even here, augmentatives are not unique to divine names.
"Assuming that this word retained its meaning in the later Cymric form of Caswallon..." is not what Wikipedia is meant to do. We don't make assumptions like that. Even if this were an academic journal or some other forum in which original research could be published,...
...serious academics would not make an assumption with no foundation (concerning the wrong root!), invite readers to imagine a connection with a superficially similar word, and then use the latter as the basis for speculation about the first root's meaning. This simply will not do. It's circular, it's disingenuous, and it's seriously confused.
Even by this miserable line of reasoning, the best interpretation we could offer for the name Icovellauna would be as water-pour-[divine]-[f.sg.]. There's nothing agentive here that could warrant the title Divine Pourer of the Waters (and why use majuscules? why use boldface?). Finally, to come up with first one fanciful interpretation, and then offer a "more poetic" alternative (and I wonder what kind of poetry the contributor had been reading), is seriously flawed.

Etymology, and historic linguistics more generally, are serious academic disciplines. They are not free-for-alls in which any kind of amateurish fantasy can be indulged. It would have been far more defensible to identify the roots, ico- and uellaun-, that have been identified by scholars, and simply explain the meaning of each. (This is in fact what I did, with appropriate footnotes, in any earlier contribution.) The anonymous contributor who gave us this travesty of an etymology did Wikipedia no service, and she or he certainly did no service to the study of Celtic religion. Q·L·1968 ☿ 18:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

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