Talk:Imelda

Requested move 28 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not moved, procedural close WP:FORUMSHOPPING already discussed and closed at Talk:Imelda Marcos; (non-admin closure) In ictu oculi (talk) 20:22, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

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• Imelda → Imelda (disambiguation)
• Imelda Marcos → Imelda

– Imelda should WP:REDIRECT to Imelda Marcos because of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: The film Imelda is named after her. Three towns are named after her first name: Imelda, Biliran, Imelda, Bohol, and imelda, Zamboanga Sibugay. Imeldific (talk) 03:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

• "State Visit to the Kingdom of Thailand by President Ferdinand Marcos & First Lady Imelda Marcos". Philippine Diplomatic Visits. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help); line feed character in |title= at position 39 (help)
• Yolanda destroys Imelda’s ancestral house in Leyte. GMA News. November 19, 2013.
• De Leon-Huld, Nickee (March 29, 2012). "Carlos Celdran cancels 'Imelda' tour in Dubai". Asian Journal. Retrieved May 13, 2012. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |trans_title= (help)
• Whaley, Floyd (October 12, 2012). "In Manila, 'Livin' La Vida Imelda!'". New York Times. Retrieved October 14, 2012. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |trans_title= (help)
• "CCP faces protest for Imelda tribute". ABS-CBN. September 9, 2009
• "Imelda" – Documentary on Imelda Marcos Independent Lens
• Director fights for Imelda movie. BBC News. July 7, 2004.
• Imelda: The Words. Independent Lens, PBS.
• De Lima, Frank. "Imelda." The Best of De Lima. Pocholoinga Productions, 1988.
• Yolanda destroys Imelda’s ancestral house in Leyte. GMA News. November 19, 2013.
• Imelda describes Arroyo's situation 'inhumane'. ABS-CBN News. January 23, 2014
• Imelda loses jewels in the Marcos crown. The Age. September 17, 2005.
• Imelda seeks second term, files COC. ABS-CBN News. October 3, 2012.
• "Philippine court orders Imelda to repay funds", The Philippine News, Monday, April 11, 2011 (AFP story)
• Sandigan OKs Imelda bid for daily hearings on graft cases. GMA News. September 21, 2007.
• Homage to Imelda's shoes. BBC News. February 16, 2001.
• Imelda's crown jewels to go under the hammer BBC News, May 13, 2003
• No Apology, It Was a Godly Act – Imelda. October 14, 1998.
• Katherine Ellison, Imelda, Steel Butterfly of the Philippines, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1988. ISBN 0-07-019335-5
• Imelda camp mum on Newsweek’s ‘greediest’ tag. GMA News. April 6, 2009.
• Review: ‘Imelda’. Variety. March 17, 2004.
• Imelda. Film Threat.
• Short Reviews: Imelda. The Phoenix. August 6–12, 2004.
• Imelda. Deseret News. December 2, 2004.
• Masagana 99, Nutribun, and Imelda's 'edifice complex' of hospitals. GMA News. September 20, 2012.
• Ramona Diaz. Imelda. Ramona Diaz-Independent Television Service, 2003.
• 'Imelda': Don't Cry for Her. The Washington Post. July 16, 2004.

Survey

• Strong speedy procedural close WP:FORUMSHOPPING discussed and closed at Talk:Imelda Marcos; opening a new discussion here with a second bite at the apple is wrong. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:49, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. The other discussion was technically withdrawn by the nominator, so I'm not sure a procedural close is supportable. However, it is indeed a second bite at the apple, conducted here to obscure the fact that the same proposal in another place drew universal opposition. I must also oppose it, not only because of the procedural issue, but because of the simple fact that Mrs. Marcos is not primarily known as just "Imelda", at least not outside of the Phillipines. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

• From The Steel Butterfly Still Soars. The New York Times. October 6, 2012: “When I listen to the giddy beat of “Here Lies Love,” I can’t help but recall Imelda’s optimistic take on events when I interviewed her in Malacanang Palace in 1985, as the “People Power” protests were gaining force and just a few months before she was forced to flee.”
• From My afternoon with Imelda Marcos. Fortune. January 9, 2014.: Imelda claims the media unjustly blackened her reputation and the legacy of the Marcos regime. “The media is more powerful than the gun,” she says, using one of her favorite expressions. “The gun can only kill you up to your grave but the media can kill you beyond the grave.” Imeldific (talk) 06:30, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is pretty standard to use someone's first or last name alone after the first mention in context. That does not mean that she is primarily known just as "Imelda". Strong oppose. RGloucester — ☎ 16:08, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

• Strong oppose clear WP:FORUMSHOPPING, for clarification of username 'Imeldific', see Wiktionary:Imeldific, for edit history see here. Pincrete (talk) 20:16, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

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Views

• Imelda Marcos: 25,000+
• Imelda Staunton: 14,000+
• Alexandra Burke: 9,000+
• Imelda May: 7,000+
• Imee Marcos: 4,000+
• Imelda Lambertini: 600+
• Imelda Papin: 600+
• Anne Crawford: 500+
• Imelda: 200+ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imeldific (talk • contribs) 12:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
• Bill and Imelda Roche: 200+
• Imelda (film): 200+
• Imelda, Zamboanga Sibugay: 200+
• San Lorenzo Ruiz, Camarines Sur: 200+
• Imelda Fransisca: 100+
• Imelda Therinne: 100+
• Imelda Wiguno: 100+
• Sheila Quinn: 100+
• Santa Maria, Romblon: 100+
• Mati Airport: 100+
• Imelda de' Lambertazzi: 100+
• Mel Read: 90+
• Imelda Chiappa: 80+
• Imelda Henry: 80+
• Imelda, Biliran: 70+
• Imelda, Bohol: 70+
• Ingrid Wolff: 50+
• Imelda Martínez: 40+
• Imelda Hobbins: 30+
• Imelda Gruber: 20+
• Imelda Kennedy: 20+. Imeldific (talk) 11:45, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
• Imelda, Steel Butterfly of the Philippines, Katherine Ellison, author, McGrawHill, New York, 1988, ISBN 0-07-019335-5
• Imelda Marcos: the Rise and Fall of One of the World's Most Powerful Women, Carmen Navarro Pedrosa, author, March 1987

Imeldific (talk) 13:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 17 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator (non-admin closure) Imeldific (talk) 05:33, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Imelda → Imelda (name) – WP:COMMONNAME: Imelda Marcos satisfies both criteria for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in terms of usage and long-term significance. This title should WP:REDIRECT to her article much like Mandela → Nelson Mandela, Obama → Barack Obama and Reagan → Ronald Reagan. Imeldific (talk) 13:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Evidence

• News article usage:

• Yolanda destroys Imelda’s ancestral house in Leyte. GMA News. November 19, 2013.
• De Leon-Huld, Nickee (March 29, 2012). "Carlos Celdran cancels 'Imelda' tour in Dubai". Asian Journal. Retrieved May 13, 2012. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |trans_title= (help)
• Whaley, Floyd (October 12, 2012). "In Manila, 'Livin' La Vida Imelda!'". New York Times. Retrieved October 14, 2012. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |trans_title= (help)
• "CCP faces protest for Imelda tribute". ABS-CBN. September 9, 2009
• "Imelda" – Documentary on Imelda Marcos Independent Lens
• Director fights for Imelda movie. BBC News. July 7, 2004.
• Imelda: The Words. Independent Lens, PBS.
• De Lima, Frank. "Imelda." The Best of De Lima. Pocholoinga Productions, 1988.
• Yolanda destroys Imelda’s ancestral house in Leyte. GMA News. November 19, 2013.
• Imelda describes Arroyo's situation 'inhumane'. ABS-CBN News. January 23, 2014
• Imelda loses jewels in the Marcos crown. The Age. September 17, 2005.
• Imelda seeks second term, files COC. ABS-CBN News. October 3, 2012.
• "Philippine court orders Imelda to repay funds", The Philippine News, Monday, April 11, 2011 (AFP story)
• Sandigan OKs Imelda bid for daily hearings on graft cases. GMA News. September 21, 2007.
• Homage to Imelda's shoes. BBC News. February 16, 2001.
• Imelda's crown jewels to go under the hammer BBC News, May 13, 2003
• No Apology, It Was a Godly Act – Imelda. October 14, 1998.
• Katherine Ellison, Imelda, Steel Butterfly of the Philippines, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1988. ISBN 0-07-019335-5
• Imelda camp mum on Newsweek’s ‘greediest’ tag. GMA News. April 6, 2009.
• Review: ‘Imelda’. Variety. March 17, 2004.
• Imelda. Film Threat.
• Short Reviews: Imelda. The Phoenix. August 6–12, 2004.
• Imelda. Deseret News. December 2, 2004.
• Masagana 99, Nutribun, and Imelda's 'edifice complex' of hospitals. GMA News. September 20, 2012.
• Ramona Diaz. Imelda. Ramona Diaz-Independent Television Service, 2003.
• 'Imelda': Don't Cry for Her. The Washington Post. July 16, 2004.

• Page views

• Imelda Marcos: 28,781
• Imelda Staunton: 15,149
• Alexandra Burke: 13,188
• Imee Marcos: 5,325
• Imelda May: 5,305
• Anne Crawford: 712
• Imelda Lambertini: 708
• Imelda Papin: 702
• Imelda (film): 318
• Imelda: 294
• Bill and Imelda Roche: 284
• San Lorenzo Ruiz, Camarines Sur: 216
• Imelda Therinne: 179
• Santa Maria, Romblon: 176
• Mati Airport: 159
• Imelda, Zamboanga Sibugay: 156
• Imelda Fransisca: 145
• Imelda Wiguno: 103
• Sheila Quinn: 100
• Imelda de' Lambertazzi: 124
• Imelda Henry: 98
• Imelda, Bohol: 69
• Mel Read: 65
• Imelda, Biliran: 57
• Ingrid Wolff: 57
• Imelda Chiappa: 54
• Imelda Concepcion 51
• Imelda Martínez: 43
• Imelda Gruber: 36
• Imelda Hobbins: 27
• Imelda Kennedy: 27

• Strong oppose, speedy close and trout. Per previous. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:29, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per In ictu oculi. RGloucester — ☎ 23:14, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. Previously opposed even with a long list of links, and the new long list of links adds nothing to make it worth revisiting. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 03:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

• WP:NOTADEMOCRACY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imeldific (talk • contribs) 05:18, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Imeldific (talk • contribs) 05:33, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Imelda (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 02:16, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Imelda → Imelda Marcos

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: Imelda → Imelda Marcos (Search)(Images)(Books)(News)(Scholar) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imeldific (talk • contribs) 06:18, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

You already failed in that discussion from 2015 indicated above. -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 02:27, 3 April 2016 (UTC)