Talk:In the Air Tonight/Archive 1

Archive 1

Video

sorry about the video part, I've only seen the video 3 or 4 times so my memory is a bit blurry on the subject... --Skully Collins 19:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Guitar sound

Don't forget also, that in addition to the drums a lot of guitarists were (as guitarists will) wondering how to copy the guitar sound. When Darryl Stuermer sat for his Guitar Player interview in 1986 or so, that was about the first thing they asked him and he explained the delay setup. Daniel Case 04:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Michelob ad

I'm pretty sure the Michelob ad mentioned used Genesis' "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" rather than Collins' "In The Air Tonight." Perhaps someone can confirm? Jerry Kindall 17:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Michelob used both. Sorry, that's as much as I know, I'm afraid :(. --Skully Collins 12:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's more than I knew. I don't remember the "In the Air" spot at all. Jerry Kindall 06:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't there a movie where I guy get's hurt in an accident while driving his Porsche into a semi that had that song as the soundtrack

John Cougar

Another I'm tempted to do without a source (although I do remember reading this): Improbable as it sounds (but that's the record business), John Cougar Mellencamp (or however he was known at that time) and his producer were working on American Fool around the same time in the same studio. As recording artists will do in that situation, they got to chatting and Collins and Padgham let them hear an early master of ItaT. They were so blown away by it they completely redid the arrangement they'd already done for "Jack & Diane" and stripped it down to produce it in the same stark way (you can tell this most clearly in the sections, particularly at the end, where it's just percussion and electric guitar. Daniel Case 04:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I have read an interview with Mellencamp in which he stated that the production and overall sound of that album were indeed influenced by the Collins song and album. He talked about giving the band copies of the album to listen to prior to coming to the studio. Therefore I don't think they could have been recorded concurrently, but there is a relationship. If I had a firm reference (beyond memory) I'd mention it in the American Fool article, but I don't. Jgm 20:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Lead section

Cover artist information should be paired down in the lead (it has plenty of representation in the article), and the non-lyric parts of "The Song" section should merged into the lead in its place. —Viriditas | Talk 04:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Biko ripoff?

I don't really have a source for this right now other than old letters to the editor by angry Peter Gabriel fans, but some of the latter always used to belittle this song by suggesting it's a ripoff of the sound and feel of "Biko", which Collins had produced.

I doubt it was anything but friendly since the two of them were and are good friends and played on each others' records (as opposed to some of Gabriel's fans, who never forgave Collins for moving Genesis in different directions, but you can see (OK, hear) where they got the idea: a stark repeated drum-machine pattern and long guitar drones.

Is this obvious enough that we should put this in before getting a source? Daniel Case 04:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

You can't rip off a "sound". You can't even rip off chords. Only melodies and lyrics. At least, in teh U.S. Anybody know what U.K. court precedence there is? 68.123.140.26 22:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

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Factual accuracy

At present, the article makes the claim that "the song's popularity in the 1980s increased after a nearly complete recording of it was featured in the pilot episode of the American television show Miami Vice." I would like to see a source for this claim. As far as I know, the popularity of the song increased after the film Risky Business was released in 1983 (allegedly one of the top performing films of the year, need stats), with the soundtrack becoming quite successful (there's some question whether it was released in the USA, available only as an import, need confirmation). Miami Vice didn't even begin broadcasting until 1984. —Viriditas | Talk 04:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

That does not mean it wasn't used. Your argument is like one where someone says "It can't be true because the song didn't come out until 1990!!!!" in which case everybody could see the factual impossibility. However the Miami Vice pilot was LATER than the event you're talking about. You know, they used "The Ride Of The Valkyries" in "Apocalypse Now" even though it was 100 years later.
Anyway, the Miami Vice article talks about this and has lots of citations. I'm sure if you followed some a' them links you could get to the bottom of it. 68.123.140.26 22:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

You're right, I didn't read it correctly the first time around. Good work. —Viriditas | Talk 13:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Meaning

Hi All, I want to know what is the inspiration of the song "in the air to night". Who wrote the song and what is the meaning of the lyrics. Thanks --Swati Mridu 05:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Unlockable extra

I'm not too confident in my editing/formatting skills, but should a note be added regarding the recent usage/appearance of the song as an unlockable extra in GTA: vice city stories? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HprVBFYP70M —Preceding unsigned comment added by D.C.Rigate (talk • contribs) 11:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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Urban Legend

The section is getting bloated with real and jokey variations on the legend, none of which add much beyond what the section lead paragraph conveys, and none of which are referenced. I'm taking all the examples out, any that are re-established should include references. Jgm 13:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced Information

Though none of the entire section contains a citation, the part where it says:

Most fans understand the real meaning of the lyrics as: Phil was involved in a separation with his wife Andy. Its almost universally accepted that this was the emotional catalyst for the lyrics in this track and others in later songs and albums including his work within Genesis. Most fans agree that some lyrics are purely metaphorical and not fact as the urban legends espouse. eg "drowning". Most fans see this as saying there was a lack of support within the relationship. Other parts of the song are interpreted as anger, guilt, regret and marital infidelity. The discovery of lies and feelings of foreboding eg. "I can feel it coming in the air tonight". It's believed that Phil simply penned his experiences into a set of lyrics explaining events and actions that took place in a difficult period of his life. No hidden meanings, just an outpouring of emotions; a collection of genuine thoughts and feelings. So yes, a song written while messing around for fun, but generated by strong emotions caused by what most fans believe as real emotional hurt caused by the breakdown of his marriage, leading up to the unfortunate separation and divorce from his first wife Andy.

sounds pretty darn NPOV to me. It also sounds like somebody just made this up to give their opinion as to the song's meaning with no regard to what others have verifiably said. I'm not disagreeing, simply stating that the inclusion might be inappropriate without sources. Either way, some of the language in it is informal.

Also, I think the part about the talkback loop accident on the drums is odd. It's not like this is the first song to use heavily compressed drum tracks, and I doubt the producer was surprised by the result.71.61.64.113 16:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that wording such as "most fans understand" can't be verified. I think some of the biographical details related to the time period the song was written could be apppopriately used in the Song section, particularly if there is a citable interview or article where Collins makes the connection between his personal life and the song. This paragraph can't really stay as it is, though. Jgm 20:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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Quote - need citation

Can anyone provide a citation for the BBC World Service quote? Wikipedia rules require cites for all quotations. I have no doubt this is real, and would hate to lose it since it is valuable to the article, but we need a documentable source. (Note that it would not have to be an on-line source, a title and date of a radio program would suffice I think). Jgm (talk) 15:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

This page needs clean-up

I've tagged this page as needing clean-up. I don't know about anyone else, but this article looks very messy to me, and looks very un-organized. It also doesn't help that we have two reference sections, where the sources should be turned into cite references, and combined into the references section. I'll certainly do my best to fix this article up, but would like to encourage anyone else to help out, if they can. Thanks! CarpetCrawler (talk) 22:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Banned by the BBC?

Am currently tidying up List of songs banned by the BBC where a reference states that "Something in the Air" (sic) by Collins was banned by the BBC at the outbreak of the Gulf War. No mention is here of this - can anyone confirm it - and reference it? Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 23:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

'In The Air Tonight' was one of a list of songs that BBC Radio 1 (the main 18-30 pop/rock station from the BBC) decided it would not play during the first Gulf War,as the lyrics were deemed inappropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.77.3 (talk) 15:46, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Hold on?!?!

Why is the article claiming Phil is singing "I can't feel it coming in the air tonight, hold on", when he's clearly saying "oh lord". # Ido50 (talk to me), at 00:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

This song wasen't in Bravo Two Zero

I've seen that movie half a doaen times, and dont remember this song being in it. If It is please specify the scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.239.198 (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Urban Legend

Here's the one I heard, from Triple-M (Australia) in 2006 IIRC. The song was indeed written when Collins was going through a messy divorce, as quoted. The lyrics (and the divorce, presumably) was based on Collins walking in on his wife in bed with the guy hired to paint their home. Thus "I saw it with my own two eyes" yadda yadda. --Jquarry 02:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I've heard that one, too ... you think "I know where you been ... it's all been a pack of lies!" and "I've seen your face before my friend/But I don't know if you know who I am" support that too? Daniel Case 03:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it sounds more like he walked in, saw them going at it but they didn't see him, and he went somewhere else ("I went to the places that we always go ... I thought that maybe we could see a show") and when he came home again, "I couldn't believe it ... he was just leaving!", to borrow from another song he wrote around the same time. Daniel Case 04:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

But that's from "Misunderstanding"...that song concentrates on the sad side of getting a divorce...This song is about the angry side of a divorce... --Skully Collins 06:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

The story about the drowning was one I remember from my teens. Its definately not true, but goddamn its a cool urban myth. 121.45.239.191 (talk) 14:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Quoted lyrics are wrong

The text:

"I was there and I saw what you did

Saw it with my own two eyes

I can feel it coming in the air tonight

Oh Lord"

is wrong. It should be:

"Well I was there and I saw what you did, I saw it with my own two eyes

So you can wipe off that grin, I know where you´ve been

Its all been a pack of lies

And I can feel it coming in the air tonight, Oh Lord ..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquaman60 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Inappropriate Sexist Language

Under Use in Advertising: "Once the section begins, the Wonderbra-clad model begins playing which, of course, causes a significant amount of breast bounce to occur."

Please tell me you are joking. Is this statement encyclopedic in nature? What does it add to our understanding of the history of the song or its use in advertising? And notability?

I vote to delete this particular statement. Opinions?

Makingstrange (talk) 11:26, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Football

Does anyone know about how this song is often used as a warmup song for many NFL teams —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.240.104.159 (talk) 09:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

I do now! Thanks for saying so!! 68.123.140.26 22:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It was also used by Jermaine Taylor as his introductory song to the ring before his championship fight against Bernard Hopkins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.49.124.234 (talk) 03:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Xbox 360

A line in this article says "Microsoft sampled the song's 'pinging' noise for use in the Xbox 360 Slim, released in 2010. The sound effect plays whenever a user activates the console's newly touch sensitive power button or inserts a disk."

I don't remember ever hearing a beeping noise like that anywhere in the song, and I can't find evidence on this on the internet. Is this true? Fuzy2K (talk) 22:49, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

It's said it's an urban legend, but during my freshmen year {1984-1985) I heard on the Westwood One Radio Network an interview with Phil saying what he saw. He described the drowning while camping, and this guy who didn't do anything to help. Later Phil found out who he was. Doing a concert where this guy lived, and sent him tickets to the concert telling him he won a contest, had him picked up in a limo, gave him front row center seats, and when he played the song, had a spotlight put on this guy! This came from Phil Collins himself. So i'm a little confused. If I had to gess, I'd say he probably got sued for it, and that's why it's now an "urban legend".97.201.81.7 (talk) 23:51, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Made popular by?

This song was made popular by the show Miami Vice? Are you kidding me? It was made popular by being an awesome song. This comment at the beginning is not sourced. I will be taking that part out. I will wait to hear if anyone has any objections first.Zdawg1029 (talk) 14:47, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Good point. No objections here. Piriczki (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Source for genre

OK Dan56, please explain how the military writer for Space News is a reliable source for a music article? Piriczki (talk) 23:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

a) That's not the concern you originally brought up ([1]).

b) Of course it's not an ideal source, but reliability is relative, especially when it was difficult for me to find one to begin with in order to have a sourced genre in the infobox. And this article has bigger concerns with sourcing and unverified material, so I don't understand why scrutinizing the genre parameter of the infobox. You're free to find a better source for this material if one exists, but not to remove sourced material and replace it with unsourced material. Dan56 (talk) 00:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Very well, I will blindly google the the terms "in the air tonight" and "soft rock" and take whatever passing reference to the terms I find on the internet and slap them on Wikipedia claiming they are a reliable source and expect knowledgeable editors to accept it without question. Or we could aim for generality as the guidelines suggest and go with a genre, Rock music, which most readers and editors would assume to be so obvious as to not require a source, unless you consider Rock music to be a dubious genre for this song. Piriczki (talk) 00:25, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not leaning on opinion, Piriczki, and if your underlying concern with all this is disagreeing with the source currently cited, then I won't indulge in that kind of discussion. Template:Infobox album#Genre doesn't suggest anything about "generality", and even if it did, WikiProject and Template guidelines do not supersede Wikipedia's guidelines and policies like WP:BURDEN or WP:UNDUE. If "Rock" is a more common interpretation of the song by relevant sources, then it shouldn't be difficult to cite them. Dan56 (talk) 00:48, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

It is odd though that such a popular soft rock song didn't make the Adult Contemporary chart. Unless it wasn't a soft rock song. Strange. Piriczki (talk) 17:45, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Sure, about as strange as the current number one on that chart, John Legend's "All of Me", not being a soft rock song. Dan56 (talk) 00:18, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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